www.byzcath.org Forums Faith & Christian Life Faith & Theology Found this on the net....

1. The crime rate during The Great Depression was LESS than it is now?

2. Prior to the "great and sweeping advances in Catholicism" brought on by the Vatican II Council, 70% of Baptized Catholics went to Mass on a regular basis than nowadays, only 26%.

3. Prior to the same wonderful changes brought on by Vatican II, 99% of practicing Catholics believed in The Real Presence, nowadays, only 38%.

4. Prior to God being taken out of the schools in the early 1960's, less was spent on education per child, but the graduadtion rate was higher.

5. During the HEIGHT of World War II, the government only took 1 out of every 50 dollars we made as income taxes, but nowadays, it's 1 out of 4.

6. The Tridentine (Latin) Mass never had liturgical deviations to incorporate the "Clown Mass" or the "Hula Mass" or the "Puppett Mass".

7. We use to be able to discuss presidential politics with our kids without an "X Rating" added to it.

8. Before living in "enlightened times" we could spank our own kids without risking jail time.

9. Liberals steadfastly remain liberals.... until they become victimized.. Then oddly enough, they become conservatives.

Your thoughts?

Yeah I certainly agree with some things. If I was a Catholic I would definately support the Traditional Latin Mass.

But it's important to say that most of the liturgical abuses had already started before Vatican II (the use of vernacular, the use of non-liturgical songs in the offertory and the communion, communion in the hand and under both species, etc. were common, that was the road to the New Mass)

Careful what you pick up on the net. A bunch of fabrications might be the least nasty thing you find.

1. The crime rate during The Great Depression was LESS than it is now?

Yep. And the crime rate went down every year Bill Clinton was president and up each year under George W. Bush.

2. Prior to the "great and sweeping advances in Catholicism" brought on by the Vatican II Council, 70% of Baptized Catholics went to Mass on a regular basis than nowadays, only 26%.

Doubtful. But to this day, the areas of Spain with the lowest Mass attendence are the areas that had the highest level of activity of the Inquistion.

3. Prior to the same wonderful changes brought on by Vatican II, 99% of practicing Catholics believed in The Real Presence, nowadays, only 38%.

Absolutely untrue. But one wonders what motivates people to make up such things. Clearly the use of untruths suggests they are not about defending the faith. Maybe, as history has so many examples of, they are trying to advance a secular agenda by advancing a particular faction of the church.

4. Prior to God being taken out of the schools in the early 1960's, less was spent on education per child, but the graduadtion rate was higher.

But when Mary was taken out of the schools the graduation rate went up.

5. During the HEIGHT of World War II, the government only took 1 out of every 50 dollars we made as income taxes, but nowadays, it's 1 out of 4.

Mostly due to things the Catholic Church lobbied for.

6. The Tridentine (Latin) Mass never had liturgical deviations to incorporate the "Clown Mass" or the "Hula Mass" or the "Puppett Mass".

The Pope had a clown Mass recently.

7. We use to be able to discuss presidential politics with our kids without an "X Rating" added to it.

We used to lynch black people who tried to vote.

8. Before living in "enlightened times" we could spank our own kids without risking jail time.

No one has every been sent to jail for spanking a kid.

9. Liberals steadfastly remain liberals.... until they become victimized.. Then oddly enough, they become conservatives.

Funny. The highest crime areas have liberal voters. And the conservative call for law and order never extends to putting police in low income and minority neighborhoods or supporting decent pay and benefits for the police.

Just some responses!

Axios

In Canada a Prot was jailed for spanking.

In America, faithful Catholics and Orthodox Christians don't use terms like 'Prot' when they mean our brothers and sisters in Christ of the communities of the Reformation tradition.

Axios

I found the term "Prot" on a Catholic site in the states....

I thought every one refered to them as either Prot or "Pot-licker" (a corruption of "pot-lucker" and a response to their term of endearment, "Cat'-licker")

Reformation Tradition? There is no such thing. The Reformation was not a different, equally valid expression of the True Faith. It was and is a distortion of that Faith.

Protestantism is the worst and most widespread heresy in the history of the Church.

Columcille

Columcille,

Sorry. Of course you are right. I accidentially picked up this term from a silly Polish university professor currently on assignment in Rome. I guess I stood stay clear of him and his ideas.

Axios

Dear Odo,

And your point is?

Alex

Alex:

I think ODO has just decided not to remain "undecided" by adding fuel to Catholic-bashing that has preoccupied American protestants for so long.

Axios:

Thanks.

AmdG

I think that is a totally unfair thing to post. No, I�m not �undecided� anymore. I post these items that I find on the net to get the reaction of people who are Catholic. Not as a test, but so that I may come to a balanced conclusion of all the garbage that is out there on the net. I have recently been convinced by God that the Catholic Church is the only Church. My family and I have been meeting with a very faithful Priest (Latin Rite) and are going to be received into the Church. I apologise if I have caused anyone to stumble in there faith or have hurt feelings over the items I�ve posted there really is no excuse. I�m sorry.

Amado,

Why are you attacking Odo? I don't think he's done anything wrong at all.

Sorry, Axios. I suppose the Catholic Church defending the unborn, fighting the insanely widespread use of the death penalty, and stem-cell research isn't justified when it raises our taxes. America already worships money waaaaay too much, and the average taxpayer could do with a little less money. Those who are in need of money can get it from the Catholic Church; after all, the Church is gives more to charity than any other private organization worldwide.

I find this VERY hard to believe. Can you cite sufficient resources?

Au contraire. And anyways, sometimes physical punishment is the best/only way to properly discipline a kid. Believe me, sometimes my sisters are just beggin' to be knocked into next week.

"Prot" is short for "Protestant" which is what they are (at best). I'm a Methodist, and my mom's entire family are "Prots", and I find no offense at the term whatsoever.

Yes, very true. The scary thing about it is it's so diverse. Each denomination embraces a unique kind of heresy, from Arianism to modernism (a heresy I would say is attacking the Church from within as well from outside).

Odo, welcome to the Church!! May the Holy Trinity guide you in your journey.

ChristTeen287

ChristTeen287,

The Holy Father does allow some goofy things to go on http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/1075294.stm here is a link to the "clown mass" and if you need I have a link to a pic with a "little person" dancing in front of HH the Pope.

Once again it appears that things have been taken out of context. The Mass was a normal papal Mass celebrated for the entertainment industry. It was not a "clown Mass" in any sense of the word.

Edward, deacon and sinner