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Those who seem to think that any connection between the Emperor and the Pope is purely coincidental might refresh their memories as to the last time a Papal election was successfully vetoed - and by whom!

Dear Alex,
Please by all means invite me for Roast Hus!

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Yes St Pius X cut that out after Austria used it's veto in the conclave that elected him. I think Spain and France also may have had the veto and possibly one or two others.

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On the issue of the Apostles as bishops I basically agree with Alex, because the most ancient way of understanding apostolic succession is that the bishops are successors of the Apostles, but that the Apostles were not necessarily bishops.

All of the Apostles had a universal mission in the Church, while their successors the bishops were appointed by them to a fixed location or See.

Now, as far as the primacy of the Pope is concerned, I do not see any problem at all with an acceptance of that doctrine by Eastern Christians (whether Eastern Catholic or Eastern Orthodox), but the Vatican I doctrine of universal jurisdiction really does not appear to coincide with the faith of the ancient Church.

On the issue of papal jurisdiction and primacy, I think that Ratzinger was right when he said that, "Rome must not require more from the East with respect to the doctrine of primacy than had been formulated and was lived in the first millennium." [Cardinal Ratzinger, "Principles of Catholic Theology," page 199]

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Or that the number of Apostles has blown out over the 2 thousand years, as the ranks swelled and new men joined up and others moved on it death. Thats my view of the Bishops/Apostles. I see they started doing this when they replaced Judas.

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