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I've been watching a bit of TV this afternoon and already the TV journalist types are starting to whine about having a "new pope" who will "address the issues of women and gays in the priesthood" etc. etc. etc. They are speaking about John Paul II leaving "his mark" on the papacy as if the teachings of the Church were really the teachings of John Paul.

I guess I'm still just too much of a Fundamentalist at heart. I wish (and I KNOW it won't happen) the next pope would just tell them all to shut the hell up, mind their own business, and leave the Church alone. And those who are in it who keep agitating for trouble, to get out!

I know. I'm still rude. Guess it comes from my way of looking at things in black/white. Y'all pray for me. Maybe God can change that some day.

Brother Ed

Hi,

Yes, of course we will.

Meanwhile, let me tell you that God loves you even if you are color blind

Shalom,
Memo

I don't think you are rude. I heard some of the same garbage, too. One lady said, however, that JPII only upheld the teachings of the Church, and that they wouldn't change with the next pope. I don't know who she was, but I admired her honesty.

I was glued to the TV in my lounge from 3am to about 8am (locked out of my new campus apartment! Grrr) and was very upset by the kinds of folks they brought on. Advocates of homosexual "marriage," women's ordination, the abandonment of clerical celibacy in the West, and a whole host of other "progressive" issues. They don't quite understand that the Supreme Pontiff is protected from teaching error in matters of Faith and Morals.

Before I watched TV, however, I tuned into Art Bell's "Coast to Coast AM" show and heard nutcases on the other end of the spectrum who believed that the archangel Michael revealed to them a prophecy by Nostradamus saying that the Pope would be cured by mystics who would then be raised to the episcopacy and a new dogma of the Church would be proclaimed. *rolls eyes*

So don't worry, you're not the only one who's a bit upset about how the American media has handled this situation. I, for one, am going to ignore whatever they have to say from this point on. The fate of the Church has always been in the hands of the Trinity. I will pray for our future, for reunification of East and West, and then I will abandon myself to God's will.

Altar Boy,

It is my opinion that the Church would be much stronger if about 1/2 of the "members" were excommunicated. Of course I'm thinking of those who keep harping about a new breath of fresh air that will sweep away everything our blessed holy Father taught. Gag!

I hope we have a strong leader that will continue the cause of East West reunification and hold forth the standards of the Church.

Dan L

Nerd,

unlike homosexual marriage or women's ordination, ordaining married men or adopting optional celibacy for priests (as is done in the Latin Church for deacons), is certainly not a progressive issue nor an error in teaching.

As we shoul realize, it makes not one difference what the politicos or pundits are saying. The Cardinal-electors under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit will be able to identify the real issues facing the Church at the dawn of the Third Millenium and will choose the Bishop of Rome accordingly.

You are quite correct. Perhaps it was my lack of sleep that led me to put the ordination of married men into the category of "progressive innovations" *smacks himself* I'll remember to get a good night's rest before posting again. lol.

Dear Dan:

Forgive me, but I find it somewhat troubling that an adult convert such as yourself is advocating the excommunication of 550 million souls.

Dear All:

Second, do we really need to start another media-bashing thread in the wake of the Pope's death? If we must, perhaps people can back up their accusations of specific media outlets and guests.

For me, I have been watching the coverage on MSNBC for the past few hours. Thus far, all they have said is that the new Pope will need to address the fact that much of the "developed" world disagrees with (and often ignores) certain moral teachings of the Catholic Church.

From where I sit, that's true.

Yours,

hal

Dear Dan:

Forgive me, but I find it somewhat troubling that an adult convert such as yourself is advocating the excommunication of 550 million souls.

Dear All:

Second, do we really need to start another media-bashing thread in the wake of the Pope's death? If we must, perhaps people can back up their accusations of specific media outlets and guests.

For me, I have been watching the coverage on MSNBC for the past few hours. Thus far, all they have said is that the new Pope will need to address the fact that much of the "developed" world disagrees with (and often ignores) certain moral teachings of the Catholic Church.

From where I sit, that's true.

Yours,

hal

Christ is Risen! Truly He is Risen!

Brothers and Sisters in Christ:

Rather than begin to tear at the media, the "liberals" (whatever that term means), and other Christians, let us instead be Christ to the world.

If there is more of this negativity I will close this thread as unbecoming for followers of Christ.

Fr. Deacon Edward, moderator

Father Deacon,

I can pretend that it doesn't bother me. Will that help?

Dan L

Amen, Hal and Fr Deacon ,

The Catholic Church incorporates many different kinds of people within Herself and it is not some sect which excommunicates the "Impure" at the slightest provocation. That is wisdom.

I take strong exception to Hal's remark.

Advocating the excommunication of 550 million souls is "troubling" independent of its being done by an adult or child, convert or cradle.

Dan,

Christ is risen!
Truly, He is risen!

Patience friend.

Remember our Lord's parable of the weeds. It's point is the bad and the good grow together until the harvest (judgement day). If the weeds are pulled, the good will be damaged.

Like, in a family, we should tolerate the black sheep, not put them to slaughter.

Remember also the doctrine of free will. God, by His wisdom, that I don't understand, allows us the freedom to make choices. In turn we must be tolerant of those who disagree with us.

I hope that I gave you at least a grain of truth to consider.

In our Risen Lord,

Paul

Paul

Wise words indeed.

Let us reflect at this time - yes we are grieving for the passing of a great man - but what he has given us will live on.

We are the children of God's family. We will live and grow together in His love

Anhelyna