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This day is Satan's day unwittingly.

Read this,

http://www3.telus.net/trbrooks/neeonxmas.htm

Satan Lucas from Santa Claus.

People are just blind and can not see. Such is the way of men, after it came from the RCC.

http://christianity.3.forumer.com/

Troy,

Can I share a link with you?

http://panoply.home.att.net/Creed.htm

This is an aspect of salvation that is neglected by many Protestants. (Lutherans and some Anglicans are an exception here.) Scripture is quite clear that being "born again" is tied to water baptism. Check the above link for more info on that.

I used to be Protestant and this is one subject that opened my eyes. In fact, if you read the history of Christianity no one held to the idea that water baptism was a rite devoid of sacramental grace till the 1500s. Did all the Christians before this get that one wrong?

In Christ,

Dave

I am not protestant nor catholic, just a Christian. You ought to try it sometime and not have the word "baptism" in your mind only but realize what it really is.

In the simplest allowable form baptism is burial and resurrection with or without water. One gets baptized outwardly to show they are members of the church. If you can stick to that you won't go wrong, but for some reason they have to make such outward acts as acts of salvation when they are not. Technically speaking when you are born again it is an accomplished fact Christ's death is a substitution and you have actually died with Him. Now all it needs is experimentally to be realized. Baptism is one of those means of showing you are in the church in that baptism with or without water. Do you see how God makes no distinction? Nor should we.

http://www3.telus.net/trbrooks/waterbaptism.htm This comes from deeply reading the Scriptures.

Come DOWN a bit?
LOL.

Troy,
We're not coming down there. Your comment about Santa Lucas or whomever was meanspirited and vengeful. This is the birthday of your Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, and yet you continue to badger God's people. This is the man to whom God's Holy Spirit speaks to personally?
Hmmmm.
We continue to pray for you, Troy. Come into the Light. What surrounds you now is Darkness.
Sam

It is with God's love I share this with you so that you can awaken to what you are really involved in.

http://www3.telus.net/trbrooks/neeonxmas.htm Don't be deceived by Satan.

http://christianforums.itopsites.com/ Your forum in its current state would not be allowed here.

For which, many of us are grateful.

Steve


Christos Razdajetsja!

Dear brother in Christ Troy,

Christ is born! Glorify HIM!

The link you provided about Santa Claus is a bit silly.

The real Santa Claus, Saint NicholAUS, was a kind and benevolent Bishop whose acts of charity saved many girls without dowries from a life of sin.

As for 'Santa Claus' the mythical figure, it is simply a magical and fun legend for little children, based on the charity of his real namesake and you know that.

Infact, I bet that you believed in him as a child, as I did, and my children did...until the ripe old age of about seven or eight!!!!

Please, give me a break with the connection of him to the evil one...your links show that anyone can read anything evil and perverse into anything, if they so will, and in my mind, THAT is of the evil one...NOT Santa, and NOT Christmas.

The love of the Holy Spirit, and the desire for unity of Christ's BODY that comes from that love, desires to find good and commonality in all Christian cultures, NOT name calling and sinister attributes.

In Christ-- the Lord and Saviour of mankind,
Alice

Dear Alice, CHRIST IS BORN! GLORIFY HIM! Isn't there a saying of some kind about those who see evil where there is none...and how that says more about THEM then it does about what they speak of? There's nothing more dangerous than a person on a 'crusade' of some kind...and nothing is more sad then a person whose best defense against something---is to try and tear down someone else's 'platform' or in this case, belief-system. Troy has my poor prayers for his 'search' and his journey of faith...may it continue to bring him a to deeper relationship with the Lord Jesus! It is sad that we cannot concentrate MORE on what we hold in common, than on what divides us!

Prayer for Enlightenment

O Holy Spirit, divine Spirit of light and love, I consecrate to Thee my understanding, my heart and my will, my whole being for time and for eternity. May my understanding be always obedient to Thy heavenly inspirations and the teachings of the holy Catholic and Apostolic Church, of which Thou art the infallible Guide; may my heart be ever inflamed with love of God and of my neighbor; may my will be ever conformed to the divine will, and may my whole life be a faithful following of the life and virtues of Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, to whom with the Father and Thee be honor and glory for ever. Amen.

In Him Who is Born for us,
+Fr. Gregory

This is an example of man's soul rationalizating anything he wants.

But the proof is in pudding,
http://www3.telus.net/trbrooks/neeonxmas.htm
which gives strength to our spirits.

We all need to be very clear that several here in this forum are blessing a day that is Satanic since Dec. 25th was not the birth of Christ, but of many demons and gods that were introduced in pagan religions. This is a sign to believers in Christ to know the pigs in the church that embrace this with the world as does byzcath. You make your bed, now you must lie in it.

Don't kill me, I am just the messenger.

Troy, as the messenger, who knows and agrees with the message he is sending, you are complicit with the originator of the message. You cannot seperate yourself from the message with trite comments like "don't kill me I'm just the messenger". In this case you are fully aware of the message and must accept responsibility for what that message is. You too have made your bed and will have to lie down in it.

If one wished to, I suppose, a Satanic reason could be found for anyone's birthday.

Troy, you really do revel in pointing out the faults of others while professing to be a model of perfection.

from your web forum:
Heed the message from your own forum.


Steve

A birthday, the reaching of a new yearly age is unlike that of saying Jesus Christ was born on Dec. 25th, with its major icon of Santa Claus with the letters moved around spells Satan Lucas, and as you know Satanists celebrate Lucas as Satan, and the history of Dec. 25 in pagan worship is profuse, the excess commercialism, those that have can give more, or so the message is conducted in reality. Ineed it is not that we should never judge, otherwise, let's take everyone out of prison and let them roam free. No. It is judging lovingly upon the truth, the truth being that this is just one of many signs of the great harlot of religious Rome of the RCC of Rev. 17 that will be destroyed. Thank you Jesus.

The flesh just is not able to understand these things. If I can not reach your conscience, certainly God can't. God used me to send you this messenger, so don't kill the messenger for you are really killing God in your life, for perhaps he was never there in the first place, and you only worship with your flesh, not in reality through your spirit.

Jeremiah 10:2-4: "Thus saith the LORD, LEARN NOT THE WAY OF THE HEATHEN, and be not dismayed at the signs of heaven; for the heathen are dismayed at them. For the customs of the people are vain: for one cutteth a tree out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workman, with the axe. THEY DECK IT WITH SILVER AND WITH GOLD; they fasten it with nails and with hammers, that it move not."

http://www3.telus.net/trbrooks/neeonxmas.htm

You are not so good at reading are you? Perhaps this is the time to devote some reading to all these proofs that what is being worshipped by byzcath is Satan himself unwittingly, the gluttony, the materialism, and the various things such required spending entails, and even the jealousy it can create. I have seen it between people as Satan uses this seemingly harmless event to stir these problems.

It all starts with a young impressionable child lied to by his parents, and now those of byzcath lie to others and to themselves about what they are really involved in. It is sad, praise the Lord there is a hell.

Dear Troy,

Would you please stop calling the church of Rome the 'great harlot'. It is so ridiculous, and everytime you do, you lose your credibility.

Also, incase you didn't know, because WE do, how did you think the pagan world was converted?

The CHURCH of Christ, founded by the Apostles themselves, in its Holy Spirit guided and enlightened wisdom, allowed for pagan holidays to be replaced by Christian holidays, and for days of celebrating pagan dieties, celebrations of the great martyrs and saints whose blood, whose example and whose sacrifice ensured the establishment of CHRIST's Church, to replace them.

Why don't you go to Rome and to the near and middle east where Christianity BEGAN, and study the history and ethos of the peoples of those cultures, whom we have to thank today, as they were those first small churches that you wish to emulate.

Do you think that the nature of people, as God created us, to look forward to holidays and feasts, would just willingly give up EVERYTHING they culturally knew??? There are reasons for everything if you would just be reasonable and study your sociology and history a little bit.

As for the most holy day of our Lord's Nativity being exploited by a secular society, on this we agree.

In Christ, our Lord and Saviour,
Alice

P.S. I have explained to you that Santa Claus is NICHOLAS in German, have I not? CLAUS is German for Nicholas. Santa means SAINT. Saint Nicholas was a Bishop of Asia Minor in around the sixth century, and was benevolant and charitable and HUMBLE. Your contention that it is the evil one's name mixed up, would be funny if it wasn't so ridiculous and just plain ignorant.

BTW, what does your version of Christianity think about the virtue of humility in one's relationship with our Lord Christ, who was the very model of humility?

WHAAATTT?????
LOL! Troy! So now you are more powerful than God Himself? WOW!
Incredible. I can't wait to hear more.
Sam :rolleyes:

Troy,

i find it ironic that the very living stones through which God (most merciful and glorious!) has used to preserve and continue the faith even to our generation and those who will follow us are the very things you seek to diminish. In particular to this season, St. Nicholas most likely suffered persecution, exile, and imprisonment for the faith, and he made a mighty and courageous stand against the Arians - the heresy that Bede the Venerable describes as "the time of the Arian madness, which... corrupted the whole world".

Troy, it is this Church of these saints whom you rail against that has preserved the very faith that comes to you today. You would probably not even know the name Jesus had God not used His people in such mighty ways. Glory be to Him who not only loves us but keeps and preserves us through community of the Church (those who were living on the earth both in the past and the present - and those to come after us).

It is through the lenses of the "Enlightment" and post-modern individualistic thinking that leads one to see our faith as structureless and strictly personal. Thanks be to God that His work is mightier than our individual thoughts and emotions, for, if it were left to the whims of each one of us, then we would surely fail. i would suggest removing such lenses from your eyes and read how Holy Scripture describes the Church as the pillar and foundation of the truth, warnings against factions and divisions, and how Paul carefully admonished his audiences to hold to the traditions that they were taught. i will pray that God will continue to open both our eyes to Him and to the blessing of His Church.

Blessing and peace to you,
the_grip