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I wonder when it was that the Catholics made the change to the Sakkos. Was it before the Union or afterwards.

That reminds me,Pavel, that Slovaks(at least according to Slovak Catholic press that I have read refer to a bishop as "Otec Biskup"(Father Bishop).An elderly Ukrainian parishoner(from Poltava) used to call our Vladyka "Father Archbishop." Perhaps this is an ancient usage.Then there really was a Latin rite bishop whose last name was Biskup, not sure where he was from or what his nationality, but I came across a picture of him in a Czech language book, firing up the Czech Cardinal Beran's cigar.So there you have it,Bishop Biskup!Like a Romanian friend whose family name was Craciun, meaning "Christmas".He named his daughter "Noel" so that she would always have Christmas in her name!

Back in the late sixties there was a Bishop Biskup (no fooling) in some diocese in the Northwestern USA. He had some connection with the matter of Archbishop Nicholas Elko's removal.

Incognitus

YES,I believe that's the same one.

Jeff,

"...which seems to countenance the practice of having a priest serve as deacon, when several priests and no deacons are available."

Actually this practice is proscribed as well, at least according to current usage and according to the commentator (Fr. Serge Keheler). I would tend to agree as the Ordo gives directions for how multiple priests are to serve, divide the litanies and prayers, etc. when a deacon is not serving. It makes no mention of priests vesting and serving as deacons. This is a bad practice which leads to weird anomalies like priests serving as deacons even when deacons are available as occured at the Pittsburgh cathedral and seminary in the early days.

Nor do I think one can equate a Bishop wearing a phelonion and omophor with a priest vesting as a deacon. It was the presbyters who were granted the vesture of the bishop minus the omophor. The original vesture for a Byzantine bishop did not include the Sakkos or Mitre. The Sakkos was originally granted by the Emperor only to the Ecumenical Patriarch. It was not extended to all bishops until later. The Mitre as well was granted to the Patirarch after the fall of Constantinople and later extended to all bishops.

Fr. Deacon Lance

I attend the Ukrainian Catholic cathedral of St. Josaphat in Parma and have observed Bishop Robert Moskul wearing priestly vestments. At first, it took me by surprise.

Joe

The late Bishop Emil Mihalik, when he was a priest, served as a deacon wearing deacon vestments. It was common in the Pittsburgh Metropolia back then.

Joe

Here's some info on Archbishop + George Joseph Biskup [catholic-hierarchy.org] .

PS: Incognitus, just a correction to your geography, Archbishop Biskup was from the Midwest.

"I attend the Ukrainian Catholic cathedral of St. Josaphat in Parma and have observed Bishop Robert Moskul wearing priestly vestments. At first, it took me by surprise."


I also saw that at St. Josaphat. First time I've ever seen that.

Dear Father Deacon John,
My mistake, it seems. Although Des Moines rings a faint bell - given the dates, it's at least possible that Bishop Biskup was still in Des Moines when he became involved in the affair of Bishop Elko.

Incognitus

I recently saw a picture of Patrairch Lubomyr at the Great Entrance wearing a sakkos minus the omophorion.

This is pretty cool because it means he is using both the great and small omophorions during the Divine Liturgy.

-uc