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Awww, let me at least try to be helpful before I disappear.
Al, I'm sure you would enjoy any of these offerings:
Holy Ghost Choir, Phila. PA:
Traditional Byzantine Carols
cassette $8 + $2 shipping
VHS Video of Carpatho-Rusyn Jaslickari - Gubi (Bethlehem Carolers -- in Rusyn & Church Slavonic) $16.95 + $3 shipping
Holy Ghost Choir, 2310 S. 24th St., Philadelphia PA 19145-3207
St. Mary's Choir, Jersey City NJ:
Christmas Caroling (English & Rusyn / Slavonic)
cassette $7.95
CD $12
St. Mary's Choir, 231 Pacific Ave., Jersey City NJ 07304
All these items are very well done, prayerful, inspiring, and thoroughly enjoyable.
[This message has been edited by RichC (edited 11-30-2000).]
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Sorry, Rich, but your posts are merely not innocent questions and your fangs are quite visible. You know very well that these terms are used interchangeable and your continued attempt to change the focus of this thread is not appreciated. The other participants in this thread have respected each other's use of the various terms for describing the ethnic identity of the peoples from the Carpathian Mountains. Only you have repeated insisted that people justify their use of these very common terms. Please start a new thread if you wish to discuss the etymology of these terms.
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Glory to Jesus Christ.
Holy Ghost Choir is tops.
If I may, Adminstrator, a comment on the dispute.
Hi Bob,
What is "Carpatho Russian" ?
Is it like regular Russian?
Where do linguists place this Carpatho Russian language in the Slavic family? What else can you tell me about it?
Be it known that RichC is a published expert on Carpatho-Russian/Rusyn/Ruthenian history and culture and is simply being rude in this thread, apparently because he doesn�t like the moniker �Carpatho-Russian�.
Time was, before World War II, the Communist takeover of the Rusyn homeland and the subsequent revival of Ukrainian nationalism in reaction, russophile beliefs weren�t uncommon among Rusyns, hence the disputed name above. My former girlfriend, a Greek Catholic, has a copy of her grandfather�s baptismal certificate from a Carpathian village and guess what? It�s in standard Russian, even though the area was ruled by Austria.
Aleksandr Sol�enitsyn is right: the three Russias, Byelorussia, Russia and Ukraine (Serge adds: including Transcarpathia), are inseparable historically.
<A HREF="http://oldworldrus.com">Old World Rus�</A>
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Our people have been under foreign domination for most of their history. Hence, the various names and identities.
When I was growing up the 'Greek Catholic Church' (as it was then known as) in my home town was referred to as the 'Greek Church' and the people that went there as 'the Greeks'. If you would ask some of those people what church they went to they would reply 'the Greek Church'. Now, everybody in the town knew it really wasn't a Greek Orthodox Church nor were the people who went to it Greeks, nor did they come from Greece, or speak Greek. But everyone knew the church being referred to and no one had a problem with it. Years later the term 'Greek Catholic' was dropped and the term 'Byzantine Catholic' was used. Just two weeks ago I went home to visit my 94 year old aunt. She served me holupki. When I told her they were good she replied 'Yeh, I got them from the Greek Church.' I just smiled because most Greeks I know wouldn't know a holupki if they fell on it! But I knew which Church she meant and that's all that mattered. So after all these years it is still known as the 'Greek Church' and the people who go there as Greeks. As I stated before, even though some went to the 'Greek Church' and some went to the 'Russian Church' they all knew they were the same people. Ask any of them what language they spoke and they would tell you 'ponashomu' (excuse spelling!). From what I gather is a mixture of English, Russian, Polish, Slovak, and probably a little Hungarian mixed in for flavor. As long as a name is not derogatory who should care.
Now I apologize to the administrator for posting yet another 'off the topic' post and assure you this will be my last on the subject.
Bob
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