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Starting up a map ought not be blamed as a locality finder. That is vanity. Do you see how the evil spirit keeps using you to falsely accuse mindlessly? In other words, there is no love in your heart in such questions.

You had not stuck your neck out for me. That is merely your self-perceptions that need to die on the cross. You are accusing me, yet I do not even know what you are accusing me of for you don't say. That is a tactic of the evil spirit. He loves to be generally empty in his accusations. There is nothing I can say to that except that you are following in his footsteps.

You keep asking for my authority, and I keep giving it. If I have not altered the Word of God, when I say I am an informal apostle as directly led by God, then why should you doubt me? If others say they are apostles but are proven wrong in their altering the Word, then you have reason to doubt them. So why are you falsely accusing? Do you not see your flesh at work here?

As an informal apostle, my apostleship extends not beyond the region of my churches. That is how we apostles work. This conversation we are having here is just for information purposes. In otherwords by my being here, you are just consulting an apostle in a different region of churches than which you live in.

The kinds of questions you can ask to determine if one is not an apostle are these. There is even others, like does he exceed the number of books of the Bible, does he engage in Mary mediation or salvation starting with the mother of God, and many more. I leave these questions out only because they are obviously wrong, and deal with the more difficult items that people seem to confront here,

The Lord has led me to be very patient with you despite your call for impatience for yourselves.

I have already said several times, I will not respond to vague questions. If you do not have the courtesy to be specific in your questions of me, I will not cater to your flesh for that is not God's will, especially if you barrage me with 1001 mindless questions that aim to deceive.

Hi Troy!

You claim that you are an informal apostle. I�m sure that you mean this sincerely.

But you do not speak what is true. Your teaching is such a distortion of the Word of God. It is not inspired by the Holy Spirit.

I ask you to provide your basis for your authority because I want you to pray over the question. I know that if you do so sincerely the Holy Spirit will show you that you have no real authority to speak.

There are thousands (more likely millions) of people who say the exact same thing that you have said. They say: �I proclaim the Word of God without alteration. I am an apostle directly led by God, listen to what I say. Do not doubt me.� Each of them believes that they are correct. Yet each of them teaches something different. If they knew of you they would believe that you are wrong. If they said to you that they are directly led by God why would you doubt them?

Now you will probably say that those who do not disagree with you distort the Word of God, and that only you do not alter it. But it is only your word against theirs. You claim the Holy Spirit. So do they. You claim that you do not alter the Word of God. So do they. You provide no reason for people to believe you instead of them.

This is why the question about the basis of one�s authority to speak is so important. There are so many different people who claim to be apostles. Each has a different teaching. No two are the same. How is the Christian to tell one apart from one another?

This is why we do not look to men like you tell us what books belong in the Bible or what a particular Scriptural passage means. We look to Christ and the Church which He created and over which He reigns. It is that Church, led by Peter, to whom He promised that the gates of hell would not prevail against. Christ did not make such a promise to Troy Brooks.

I am praying for you, that you see the Light and come out of your cult.

Admin

I am who I say I am. Now if I am not you ought to prove it, for blaming blindly is not of God.

By the way, you make the conversations confusing to read if you keep moving posts around.

Why don't you just leave things as they are and let the conversation flow? That previous poster, had a whole post and then I responded to it, and now his post is gone.

As a forum owner if I were I would remove the delete function because obviously there is too many games being played here. The conversation gets all disjointed and you can't follow it because of these manipulations.

What I recommend as a forum owner is you give a person a grace period (not to delete a post), but to edit it, and make that grace period perhaps 5 to 10 minutes, maximum. That way this kind of behavior does not happen. In fact I am going to go do the same thing on my forum.

Today by the way I removed a forum from the Top 100 Christian Forums. It was the Eastern Catholics rite site on ezboards. They referred me to your site, whom I have been talking with here for awhile now. The reason I removed them is because of too many books, mary mediation and mother salvation.

By the way your videos and audios on your site are not working. Are you going to get them working?

When you say you are Troy Brooks I believe you.

When you say that you have not altered the Word of God I do not believe you. I look at what you write and I see clearly that it is a distortion of the Word of God. Anyone who reads what you have written can see that it is not true.

Your claim that you are inspired by the Holy Spirit is not supported by the distortions of the Word of God you have posted on this forum and on your website.

Regarding the need to prove things, you have come into our house with a statement that what we believe is false. It is up to you to prove that you are correct. You have stated repeatedly that we are wrong, yet the proofs you offer are clearly distortions of Scripture and are easily shown to be false. You have not shown any of our theology to be incorrect. You have merely offered your own opinion that our theology is incorrect and presented without any evidence that stands up to scrutiny.

Finally, you are just one of many people who claim that your authority comes from the Holy Spirit. Simply put, I do not believe what you say and everything you have written has shown to me that your teachings are false. You have established no authority from which to speak, and your claim that you speak from the Holy Spirit is not believable. I look instead to the Church with Christ as its head, the Church to whom He promised the gates of hell would never prevail against, a Church that has existed for 2,000 years and which flourishes under the power of the Holy Spirit. Why do you doubt the testimony of 2,000 years of Christian Tradition? It is the Church which produced the Bible. It is the only authoritative source which can speak definitively as to what the Bible means.

I recommend that you read my previous posts and actually attempt to answer the questions, instead of simply demanding we accept your claims.
I am praying for you.

Admin

PS: I alter no posts except to remove the links you place in them because they violate the rules. I have deleted the posts of others because I have asked them several times not to post in this thread because I do not want their posts to distract you from answering my simple questions.

PPS: All of the videos appear to be working just fine. They are not all full length because for some we only have permission to present excerpts.

Your videos are working now from earlier today, and I viewed the first one in part. This is what the Lord wants me to impart to you.

The definition of the church is not correct in the introeast video. It's definition was as being as a way of fellowship of different styles. But the church local was the way of fellowship, and is not based on freestyling different styles, but different localities directly abiding in Christ as units of fellowship and responsibility in the first and 2nd centuries. That was God's higher calling as represented by the Ephesus and the Smyrna churches.

Then came along pergamum type. It became a marriage of church and state of the highest degree, the worse degree of all. Before at least in Rome, the church was persecuted, but now the church is accepted as part of the world understantine. How gross this has become.

It now by the 4th century has lossed its quality of as sojourner under constantine. Pergamum is seen as Constantine the Greate High Tower accepting Christianity. Pergamum means high tower. RCC with its idols worship was most corrupt with its idols and special priesthood.

Balaam is the like constantine, as mentioned in the pergamum church mixed with other religions, befriending the world, and so this is the character taken on by byzantine. Such was the marriage of state and church. The easter Roman church had its problems along with the western Roman church. Pergamum means "marriage" - gamos, with the state. Pergamum means "behold, now is the marriage". Byzantine became an outward marriage and organization never seen before.

In the 2nd and 3rd centuries the local assemblies were gradually destroyed.

Here are those local assemblies which will begin to build day by day, year by year as by the leading of the Holy Spirit, and the church taken on the the quality of a sojourner passerby, not what the RCC, nor the Protestants, nor the Easter Roman rites church are seeking.

You do not know your own sin or from whence you come.

Praise the Lord for this disernment!

You have to state what statement that it is that is false. If you don't do this, that is selfish, and no one knows what you are talking about except your selfish flesh.

You should think of others when you speak, and not huddle yourself.

Now if there is something you disagree with, what is it? For you do not say. Don'y be coy. Satan is so coy.

I can only help you as much as you let me. I am not a mind reader. Share with me what is causing your spirit of dissension.

You ought to know as the church matures it will fellowship more in locality as was the case in first centuries. It will come away from this eastern Roman and wester Roman views of hostility and division.

To understand more of the basis of the churches, read this to show the church in locality,

The 3 churches, RCC, ECC, and the OC are all doing the same thing wrong. They are all dividing the body based on large regions, not even Biblical regions, let along Biblical localities. It is because you are so caught up in histories sins, that you can't see clearly. Praise the Lord, that is where informal apostles of today come in to solve this problem. It is expected though many your divisions and power structures of marriage to the world and jezebel of thiatyria RCC, or playing the middle, does not solve the problem that has remained for centuries that the church does not exceed its boundaries of locality. God has designed it this way so as to prevent such things that have been going on for centuries, but man in his flesh cares not in christendom, and thus has circumvented what occurred in the first two centuries.

My prayers go out to you administrator.

Troy,

The Church is the people of God, formed in a society by Jesus Christ, a society led by bishops and the one that he promised the gates of hell would not prevail against.

The video describes the different styles of worship that developed in different places where the Church was planted and grew. The people were one in faith but had slight differences in the way that they worshipped God. This is mostly because the people in one city did not know exactly what the people in another city were doing. Plus, each local Church did not always have the same resources as did the Church in a different city. If we remember that the New Testament as we know it today did not exist for the first four centuries of the Church, we can understand that a Church in one town might only have a copy of the Gospel according to John and another might only have had a copy of the Gospel according to Matthew. Also, a community in one city might pray three psalms in their Liturgy and a community in another city might have only prayed two. Eventually these styles of worship of the early Christians were written down. They were pretty standardized by the time the Church gave us the Bible. There have been some changes throughout history in the style of worship, but the essentials are still the same.

When you say that the Church is not based on �freestyling different styles� you agree with us. Your part about �based on different localities � as units of fellowship and responsibility� is not correct. As the early Church grew bishops were appointed as overseers of specific geographic locations. Each bishop held the voice of authority over the area he was appointed to. It was not a free-for-all in which the people believed whatever they wanted. This custom has continued throughout Christian history and exists today. Your understanding is one that was invented about 40 years ago by a heretic. It is not the one that comes to us from the apostles. To believe what you believe means that you must reject the part of Scripture that says that the gates of hell would never prevail against the Church.

This is historically incorrect, as is the part before it about idol worship and special priesthood. If you visit your local library and review some history books you can see for yourself the great growth of local Churches in the 2nd and 3rd centuries. But I can only correct a little of your errors in understanding at a time. It is clear that in addition to having a distorted understanding of Scripture you also have a distorted understanding of history.

I am praying for you, that you come to a full understanding of the Truth and come out of your cult.

Admin

This was church history from the NT period on, the church operated in locality until it finally gave way to a corporation structure of churches, that even spanned nations in its control like the eastern orthodox church. I recommend YOU go to the library and review this matter.

Begin here, first, that is, always starting with the Bible, then read history of church meetings in locality, acting as a sojourner, not as power structure like byzantine based on regionalities of man's thought. How vain.

Because the Body of Christ has these two different aspects�life and ministry�it consequently has two different outward manifestations. The church in a locality is used to express the life of the Body, and the gifts in the Church are used to express the ministry of its members. In other words, each local church should stand on the ground of the Body, regarding itself as an expression of the oneness of the life of the Body, and it should on no account admit of division, since it exists as the manifestation of an indivisible life. The various ministers of the Church should likewise stand on the ground of the Body, regarding themselves as an expression of the oneness of its varied ministries; and perfect fellowship and co-operation should characterize all their activity, for though their functions are diverse, their ministry is really one. No local church should divide into different sects, or affiliate with other churches under a denomination, thus departing from the ground of the Body; and no group of ministers should unite to form a separate unit, standing on other than Body ground. All their work should be performed as members of the Body, and not as members of an organization existing in distinction from it. A worker may employ his gifts in the capacity of an officer of an organization, but in so doing he departs from the ground of the Body (p.57).

Take a look at the notes here on the Bible for the church of Pergamum and the church of Thyiatira, representing the eastern orthodox and then catholic, both east and west.

What needs to be done is reach your conscience, for you are still caught up in the struggles of history.

First read the summary, to gain a deeper perspective.

You have committed the cardinal of splitting the church up into factions. This is against God's will. Your flesh knows not what it is doing.

I think we have covered this extensively enough, and I have provided you with all the information over and over, so I wish not to speak to a wall any longer. I can see underneath you that you are stuck in your ways, and so in order for you to come out of your ways you need to let go of the historical problems that you are enmeshed in killing the church in locality.

I would love to hear from you, but for now, the conversation is needed to be broken because I am unable to get through to you at this time.

I don't want you to think I am leaving you, for I am always available,

I am but a click away. Where you are stuck is tha the church did meet in locality as a sojourner, and it did not have corporate structures like you have, so it never exceeded the boundary of locality. There was not these religion beliefs or middle of the road beliefs between catholics and orthodoxes, or so they call themselves. Too many idols, too much mary worship, special priesthood: these things were never God's will, nor the middle, nor the easter marriage to the world and state.

I would love to hear from, and when I do I will know it is because you have let of these things. If not, it is because you could not let go of these things in your flesh. If you contact, and still unable to let go, I will know that too, immediatley sensing it in your heart by your words.

Remember, I am always a click away. I found this conversation very valuable to me for it has proven experientially what I have known spiritually in my spirit with the knowledge that I have gained. You have confirmed that you pergamum + thyiatira as proven here.

The church has always operated in locality, but the gates of hell have not won, however christendom is not the same as Christianity. Christendom that which you are engrossed though existing for some time, did not overcome Christianity, in that Christianity has been operating in locality right before your eyes in the first and 2nd centuries, and every century since then, but underneath you your eyes. All the while you had your RCC, ECC, EC, Prot churches, the church in locality was operating spiritually, but not outwardly established as God desired. It was established in Christian meetings on the Lord's Day, even in the ECC meetings, but it was deficient, and not the fullness of what God was looking for, that is, operating in locality. It was a watered down version if you will. This is head for you deceitful heart to accept I know, but it is a fact. Many have known what I have been telling you, and many have acknowledged it since the time of Christ, in small pockets here and there while you marry yourself to the world with your constantine.

Your humility is wonderful to see as I sense you have been contemplating the depth of what God wants you to see here to see what is really wrong in what you are involved in the RCC, ECC, and OC. Praise the Lord!

Hi Troy!

I�m glad you�re still posting.

Everything you have written is in direct conflict with both Scripture and the written accounts by the respected historians of that time.

Have you ever read Eusebius� "The History of the Church"? Eusebius wrote in the early 300�s and covers the time from Christ until roughly the legalization of Christianity.

In the introduction to the English language copy I have before me the translator, G.A. Williamson, provides an interesting analysis of what actually went on in the early Church (and I note that Williamson was an Anglican who was not friendly to Catholics and Orthodox): �Many of us in this land grew up in the conviction that the early Christians had very simple beliefs, the most primitive organization, and an almost complete lack of ceremony. A study of Eusebius� pages will satisfy us that we have been greatly deceived. Not only in his own statements, but in the testimonies of the earliest authorities on which he draws, we shall find inescapable proof that the Church of the first generations was one in which an Anglican or Catholic Christian of our own day would recognize most of the ideas and practices to which he is accustomed. We find the same line drawn between clergy and laity, the same division of the clergy into the three orders of bishops, presbyters, and deacons, the same practice of Episcopal ordination and consecration, the same insistence on the Apostolic Succession and on the establishment by Christ of One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church. We find Christendom partitioned up into dioceses and archdioceses, presided over and ruled by bishops who are held in high esteem. Did not James, the brother of the lord, sit on the bishop�s throne of Jerusalem and officiate clad in priestly vestments? Was not John the beloved disciple �a sacrificing priest wearing the mitre�? There may have been a short period when the services were held in private homes, but as soon as possible churches began to rise, then cathedrals�. [with] a sanctuary, and within the sanctuary an altar, at which the priest celebrated the Eucharist�. (Taken from page 9 of �Eusebius, The History of the Church�, translated by G. A. Williamson in 1965 and published by Augsburg of Minneapolis.)

All this in the first two centuries!

Troy, you need to examine the facts. Historical accounts do not support the history you have written. What you have written is false and easily demonstrated to be false. You keep stating that we need to prove what you write is false. That is entirely wrong. You need to prove what you write is true. No one believes that you are led by the Holy Spirit in this matter. All of your testimony has been false.

I am praying for you. I am waiting for the day when you leave your cult and come home to the Church!

Admin

I remind our other Forum participants that in order to allow Troy to remain on topic I will be deleting all posts in this thread except his and mine.

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Admin,

Let's keep talking. I am trying to limit myself to one conversation, but I seem to be holding two conversations with two people, ironically, both from the ECC. There is certainly great need that will be filled here if your heart can be reached and you can be testimony for God one day testifying that you are exceeding the boundary of church locality.

You are not in a cult, but you are in a sect, a party spirit, a very large one as told about in Eph. 5.19-21 when it speaks of jealousy, party spirit, envy, dissensions and selfishness which are of the body and mind (2.3). This religious sect that you are in divides the body of Christ on several key things, but what will solve this problem is the most important one that once you get right in your heart, the rest then fall into place much more easily. That being, the church in locality. In the quote you provide, what your produced was a proclamation but not proof. God can't use that because it merely comes from the self of the person who wrote it, and you yourself are guilty admin for you seem to always appeal to men and not the Scriptures. This is where you fall short. All of these different positions in the church must be on the basis of locality. Let me further prove it to you again.

Concerning the border of a local assembly, in the New Testament God makes the city to be its boundary. So that the maximum sphere of a local assembly is a city and nothing larger than a city. In the biblical record, there is no church that controls a region, a province, or a county. The city always marks the limit of the church. A city was originally the aggregate of people who lived in the same locality. Let us realize that due to today�s complicated life we have such divisions as county, township, village, and so forth. In the olden days, wherever the people congregated and lived and were protected�that was considered a city (Gen. 4.17 And Cain knew his wife; and she conceived, and bare Enoch: and he builded a city, and called the name of the city, after the name of his son, Enoch). For various reasons, they lived in the city. In the first part of Genesis we find nothing smaller than the city. At the time when Joshua apportioned the land to the Hebrew people, we notice that the place where people lived was still called a city, only now sometimes villages were also mentioned (Jos 18:28 And Zelah, Eleph, and Jebusi, which [is] Jerusalem, Gibeath, [and] Kirjath; fourteen cities with their villages. This [is] the inheritance of the children of Benjamin according to their families). When the Lord Jesus sent out His disciples to preach the gospel, they were sent to cities (see Matt. 10). This is because in the biblical account a city was viewed as the lowest unit of the aggregate of people. Never do you see the church as being beyond this boundary as is the case in your church expanding literally many nations. Praise the Lord this is not God's will, for we ought to refuse this party spirit of division even as it attempts to exalt itself. It is also valuable to point out that the more and the more the church failed to operate in Biblical locality, the more and more you ought not appeal to these corporate structure of churches for again you would be appealing to men's flesh. I think they just figure as far as finances go they can flow the funds better that way, but God considers such methods of no account. Not to mention the other problem of calling Mary sinless which treating her like a goddess. All pagan religions needed their goddesses, but Christianity was different, in that it had no sinless goddess.

Thus the boundary of a local assembly in the Scriptures is according to the limit of such a city. Ephesus, Corinth, and Thessalonica, for example, were all such cities. The border of a local church never exceeds the limit of a city. The province of Asia was such a large area that it had seven churches. Galatia was a region, and hence the phrase �the churches in Galatia� was used. Corinth, on the other hand, was only a city, and so the whole church assembled together there (1 Cor. 14.23 If therefore the whole church be come together into one place, and all speak with tongues, and there come in [those that are] unlearned, or unbelievers, will they not say that ye are mad?). The church in Corinth is but one church. Throughout the New Testament we see that all the local assemblies take the particular city limits as their border.

As soon as a city becomes too large for everyone to reasonably to meet in one place then it will have more meeting places.

You have altered the Word of God. That is why I am here. To help you, and to learn more about your sect party spirit. For example, I do know that you treat Mary as an idol, and the Eucharest is treated as literally the body of Christ. These are two false teachings that are cultish. Also I have observed in your conscience an inability to recognize the marriage high tower of constantite of church and state (the world). This will not do for the church is a sojourner, not a conquerer. Plus RCC has its inordinate icons and additional idols as well that are unacceptable, in the way they treat their saints and popes. And we should not forget to mention the problem intermediary special priesthood not called by God in penance, nor the false teaching of praying for the dead in purgatory. These things will not do. Outer darkness is not a purgatory but a loss of rewards for nonovercomers in Christ. These things indeed have an appearance of wisdom in self-imposed religion, false humility, and neglect of the body, but are of no value against the indulgence of the flesh.

I will help you along the way with each of your contentions.