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Troy wrote: You keep asking for my authority? I have already told you by the Holy Spirit leading in my spirit in agreement with the Word of God and agreement with the church. Troy, thousands of people make the same claims that you do and each offers a totally different teaching. What you write is not in agreement with the Word of God. It is not in agreement with the Church. What you write is false. Troy wrote: I see you accused church in locality saying it is nonsense, but according to Jude 1.18,19, "mockers, walking after their own lusts of ungodliness. These are they who set themselves apart, natural men, not having spirit" (Darby). Though the Bible is very clear on church locality and has been fully proven. The words from Jude are a call to preserve the faith as the apostles handed it down to us. The Church does this to this day. Your theology does not for it is false. You have not established any authority to speak. You have only claimed that you know better then other men. There are tens of thousands of others who make the same claim. Please answer my questions about Scripture. They appointed presbyters for them in each church and, with prayer and fasting, commended them to the Lord in whom they had put their faith. (Acts 14:23)Paul and Barnabus appointed presbyters (elders). Paul and Barnabus gave each local Church its own religious leaders. The structure of these churches is patterned on the model of the Church at Jerusalem (Acts 11:30; 15:2, 6, 22; 21:18). In Acts 15:22 we see that the local Churches are united to the universal Church. All are one. They are all one. Just as all those united with the successors of the apostles with Peter as their shepherd are one today. But you have not yet established anything about the Bible you use, where it came from and why you believe that you alone have superior authority, even over those who gave it to you. Please answer the questions I have asked you. The Holy Spirit is not leading your spirit in what you have written. Your words are not in agreement with the Word of God. Your words are not in agreement with the Church. Please ponder the questions I have asked you. If you are open to Truth then I am confident that the Lord will lead you. Do not be afraid. We are here to help.
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Your response is a typical response of someone who is associated to a denomination. I understand this. The Bible comes by the Holy Spirit. That is so important to know. Whomever God used is not so important as who was doing the leading for it was the Holy Spirit, otherwise you put man before God which is what you seem to be doing. Just rest in the fact that it was by the Holy Spirit we have today the 66 books of the Bible, not 67 nor 65. I can prove the errors of the other books not of the Bible you want to add to the Word, and the consequence is Rev. 22.18,19.
Why does God offend you when He shows in the NT the church in locality? Obviously because you are not in locality. Simple. I am here to help you reach your conscience, but I am not able to do anything more than you allow me to in what I provide. In other words having supplied the proof multiple times that there was a church of Jerusalem in the churches of Judah and a church of Ephesus in the churches of Asia Minor and today a church of Edmonton in the churches of Alberta, Canada, we can be confident that the church in locality of Jerusalem is God's will, not your way. There is not so many that agree with this, but praise the Lord this is our future. There will not always be one big fat eastern orthodox church or rcc church, baptist church, etc. God is slowly allowing these ways to die. This is how it will come about.
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I have other things to attend to now. Having repeated myself enough times and provided you the proof in the Scriptures, it is expected that you will continue to want to remain in mockery of Biblical locality. That has been the finding of the Holy Spirit. All I can do is give it to you, you still have to pick it up.
My work is done here. Praise the Lord! Now those that hath an ear to hear will hear. Those that won't, will not. That is the nature of the flesh.
I only wish you could have a tenth of the peace that I have in the Lord in knowing this of His will which will be our future. That is why there is a heaven and a hell for many are pigs in the church who want to worship a god with their minds, and not God with their spirit.
Just to let you know I won't be able to return for some time, as I have other projects on the go.
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Troy, Your response is very typical of someone who does not have a basic understanding of the Holy Scriptures. The further one gets from the Church that produced the Bible the more likely they are to accept all kinds of strange and false teachings. There are tens of thousands of individuals like you who call themselves �informal apostles�, each with teachings that do not agree with one another. You and they are all false apostles. The Holy Spirit inspired the Church to create the New Testament. The New Testament was created by and for the Church. This is historical fact and it is very important to know history. If you accept all of the books of the New Testament that was created by the Church, you implicitly accept that the Church was correct in choosing all of these books. You state that there are 66 Books in the Bible? The Church gave you 73 Books, 46 in the Old Testament and 27 in the New Testament. When Guttenberg printed the first Bible on his new printing press it had 73 books. This means that you are missing some books. On what basis do you reject 7 books? On what authority do you reject these books? You have quoted from Jude and Revelation. Both of these books were removed from the Bible by Martin Luther. Since you quote from them you must consider them to be truly part of the Holy Scriptures. Why do you accept Church teaching on the number of books in the New Testament and then with Martin Luther on the number of books in the Old Testament? On what basis do you make such a decision? You have no authority to make such a decision. Troy wrote: Why does God offend you when He shows in the NT the church in locality? On what basis do you pretend to speak authoritatively about what the Holy Scriptures mean? You cannot even explain how you got the Bible and why you believe certain books to be divinely inspired and others not divinely inspired. You agree with the Church that some books belong in the Bible and with Martin Luther that others do not belong in the Bible. You offer no explanation for your authority to make such a decision. We are here to plant seeds. If you are a seeker of Truth then allow these seeds to grow and ponder the questions I ask. You may refuse to answer my questions about authority now but each time you refuse the question will be more firmly planted in your mind. Your conscience will eventually demand an answer and that answer will point you on the direction out of your cult and into the Church. Admin
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Troy wrote: I have other things to attend to now. Having repeated myself enough times and provided you the proof in the Scriptures, it is expected that you will continue to want to remain in mockery of Biblical locality. That has been the finding of the Holy Spirit. All I can do is give it to you, you still have to pick it up. Troy, I understand why you feel you must leave. What you consider as �proof in the Scriptures� has been nothing but false writings from a cultist. You are leaving because you cannot defend such falsehoods. You cannot even answer simple questions about the authority you claim. You cannot even answer simple questions about which books of the Bible are divinely inspired. You choose your New Testament from the Church and your Old Testament from Martin Luther. There is no consistency in your reasoning. That is to be expected of someone who preaches lies and distortions. If you have ears to hear then surely my questions have been planted on your heart. They will take root there and eventually demand an answer. If you are an honest seeker of Truth then those answers will lead you into the Church created by Jesus Christ through his apostles, the very Church which exists and is saving souls today. You should also consider that the teachings you hold are not from the Bible, but from Nee, who was a heretic. There is a lot of material published about the dangerousness of Nee. Here are some excerpts: -In his writings Nee sets himself up not as a servant of Christ but as a guru, an unquestionable authority over the entire Church. Christ promised Peter and the other apostles that the gates of hell would not prevail against the Church. He made no such promise to Watchman Nee. -In Nee�s book, �The Ministry of God�s Word� he states: "Words alone cannot be considered God's Word." He denies the reality of the Bible and picks and chooses things from it giving the words he chooses whatever meaning he desires. He claims for himself a new method of authority, one not found in the Church previously and one that is certainly not Scriptural. He uses what he calls "Holy Spirit memory" and "presenting the pictures as well as speaking the words". He claims that it is only with this new method he has invented that the words can be correct and that without him and his method the words are not real. - Nee overemphasizes emotions. In The Ministry of God's Word, he claims that the effectiveness of a preacher's delivery is a product of his emotions. If a preacher does not feel emotionally charged in delivery, "the Spirit is stuck" and the "Spirit is inevitably arrested," Nee says. He continues, "The Spirit flows through the channel of emotion." Then he arrives at a strange conclusion: "Nose in the Scripture stands for feeling. Smelling is a most delicate act, man's feeling is most delicate." Therefore, Nee says, a preacher in speaking needs to "mix feelings with the words spoken, else his words are dead. If our feeling lags behind, our words are stripped of the spirit." To say as Nee does, on page 210, that the Holy Spirit only rides on feeling is dangerous. -Nee does not have a basic understanding of Scriptural terminology. One example is his writing about a minister's receiving "revelations" in his "Holy Spirit memory" and those revelations being remembered in us by the Holy Spirit. This sort of metaphysical mumbo jumbo is impossible to understand, since there is no direct scriptural reference to a "Holy Spirit memory�. Troy wrote: Just to let you know I won't be able to return for some time, as I have other projects on the go. Good. You feel a need to run away from questions that you cannot answer. This is a positive sign. The questions will remain on your heart and eventually demand answers. We will be here when you are ready to partake of Truth. We are praying for you. Admin I remind my fellow Forum members again to please not post in this thread. The seeds that have been planted in Troy need time to begin to grow. Discussions of anything else will distract him from this task. Posts in this thread by anyone other than Troy or myself will be deleted.
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The reason I am leaving is because your errors are too many. You have gotten so away from the church. Ther is so many like you in so many denominations like yours and regional idealogies for you are the affair of the pergamum church as constantine married church and state. This is the condition represented by you, mixed and diluted.
I ought not cater to your flesh, but in order to keep me here you need to pull out the "Watching Out For Richard Fisher" stuff, but of course, I already gave you this link so you had ought to have realized Richard Fisher is not a Christian whom you are quoting. 3. Bible Importance
Richard babbles, �One gets the impression from Nee that the Bible was not nearly as important as Christians generally consider it. In his book The Ministry of God's Word, Nee says, "Words alone cannot be considered God's Word." In this book, Nee becomes very philosophical, mystical and incoherent. He says that only as we deliver the Word in terms of the "reality behind it," using what he calls "Holy Spirit memory" and "presenting the pictures as well as speaking the words" will the words be correct; otherwise they are not real�.
The Bible was the most important thing to Nee for it was the Word of God, and he dissected it better than anyone I know. Nee is correct that words alone by themselves are not the end all to be all of things. A fair statement! Nee was not incoherent, nor mystical nor philosophical. He was so incredibly precise that his words are such a joy. He had an incredibly deep working of the Holy Spirit in his life. When Watchman Nee used the term Holy Spirit memory, he cited verses to identify the meaning of what he was trying to get across. What he has said about the Holy Spirit memory makes sense both objectively and subjectively in experience. The reality behind words is more important than words for words sakes, certainly. There is a memory activity that we can forget of the Holy Spirit in our inner man that is important to maintain otherwise we are susceptible to falling back towards the flesh. Experientially I can not deny this in my life either. It seems like plain old common sense to me. I have a poor memory so I should know.
4. Emotion
Richard babbles �Nee overemphasizes emotions. In The Ministry of God's Word, he claims that the effectiveness of a preacher's delivery is a product of his emotions. If a preacher does not feel emotionally charged in delivery, "the Spirit is stuck" and the "Spirit is inevitably arrested," Nee says. He continues, "The Spirit flows through the channel of emotion." Then he arrives at a strange conclusion: "Nose in the Scripture stands for feeling. Smelling is a most delicate act, man's feeling is most delicate." Therefore, Nee says, a preacher in speaking needs to "mix feelings with the words spoken, else his words are dead. If our feeling lags behind, our words are stripped of the spirit." To say as Nee does, on page 210 that the Holy Spirit only rides on feeling is dangerous�.
Nee does not overemphasis emotions. If you understand Nee�s writings you know that He believes the Holy Spirit always starts from the spirit�s inner man, not the outer man like the emotion of the soul. Emotion is an outlet, expression of feelings. Who wants to listen to a minister without emotion? Nose in scripture does stand for feelings and its delicacy (see below). Nee does not say at all on page 210 that the Holy Spirit rides only on emotion as Richard says. On page 210 (CFP) he says �we use emotion to move people as our spirit is released� and �going forth of the word is powerful only when it is coupled with a corresponding emotion� and �out from the feelings� and �trying to move men with only our emotion is mere performance, resulting in a dead ministry�. This is the complete opposite of what Richard Fisher accused Nee of. Incredible. I find that this critique of Nee is really flawed since nowhere does Nee state the Holy Spirit rides only on emotion. My assessment is that if someone can be this horrible and reading another�s words, then it is either purposefully done with intent or just plain ignorance and misreading.
Nee is also correct that the Holy Spirit flows through the channel of emotion. I already know what he means by this and what he is thinking because I read The Spiritual Man several times which you could say is the foundational book for the redemptive design of all his writings. What he is saying is that the Spirit will use emotion by communicating what is of the spirit to the emotion of the soul. No emotion at all is ineffective, and excessive emotion is also undesirable. For all occasions there are boundaries of what is healthy emotionally.
Nee writes on page 208 of Ministry of God�s Word about the nose from Song of Songs in the Bible. He says �We humans beings have a will, but the will of man is rather rugged. So have we a mind, which, though more refined than the will, is nevertheless quite rugged too. But the emotion which we possess is most delicate part of us. We may ruthlessly make a decision with our will, we may carefully think over a matter, but we touch the tenderest spot when something touches our feeling. Accordingly, in the Old Testament, especially in the Song of Songs, the Spirit of God employs fragrance or savor to express the tender feeling of a man, for it can only be smelled with the nose. Smelling is a most delicate act. It represents man�s tender feeling. �Nose� in the Scriptures stands for feeling. Man�s feeling is most delicate, though it may or may not be useful.�
See, Sgs. 7.8, Gen. 8.21. These are truly sweet things that touch our emotion. Smell is so delicate just like our delicate emotion. Let us keep that which is delicate in a delicate state, and perhaps this is God�s message after all. It is should be spiritually preserved. Nose has several meanings, and this is one of them. Referring to Nee�s book, Song of Songs, you will see another aspect of the which is that of discernment.
5. Using Terms Precisely
Richard babbles, �Nee uses terms imprecisely. One example is his writing about a minister's receiving "revelations" in his "Holy Spirit memory" and those revelations being remembered in us by the Holy Spirit. This sort of metaphysical mumbo jumbo is impossible to understand, since there is no direct scriptural reference to a "Holy Spirit memory."�
Nee uses terms extremely precisely. I don�t know anyone who is more precise in their words than Watchman Nee. Really. This is not metaphysical stuff but exactly how the Holy Spirit works in our spirit. And I understand all of it so well with a little effort maybe Richard could too. Richard says Nee is �impossible to understand�. I understood it. But I know my flesh can't understand it, nor will Richard's.
Is it so hard to accept that in our spirit resides the Holy Spirit whereby God enters the window of our conscience and communicates His mind to us. When this happens is this not where revelation takes place through the function of intuition in our inner man? And when that message works in us, it does so in a form of our �still small voice� (scriptural term - project for everyone - find the verse in Exodus "still small voice" using the NKJV). But, we can easily lose that communication within or become forgetful in our spirit (as matters of the world weigh on us), so what does the Holy Spirit do for us then? For one thing, the Holy Spirit has a memory for us of revelation we have received. As we go about our daily lives we can access what we have received in the Spirit of the Lord by this memory in our inner man. It is really quite elementary.
Bye....call that last reply, a freebie.
If you want to try any more lowball tactics, they are addressed here,
That is the purpose of this page, to address every conceivable lowball tactic.
You may find it interesting to read the conclusion for it reveals what Richard Fisher is really about.
Praise the Lord, I knew these studies would be helpful, as many like you automatically revert to the the unregenerated Richard Fisher.
And don't forget you are like many in christendom exceeding the boundary of the church.
I have now repeated myself many multiple of times on these points, and I am talking to a wall, but that is expected for you are in a very large sect of Christianity that focuses on men and their organizational associations rather than keeping the church in locality,
The reason I am not staying here is because no one wants to keep talking to a wall, and since you do not deal with the matter of locality at all, nor shall I deal with you, for this is the solution to your regionally dividing the body of Christ.
That is about all I can say to help you. If you ever need to reach me, you can find me here. I am done. Thanks for listening.
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Martin Luther was a calvinist so as a calvinist he had no authority in selecting the books. Jude belows as do the other 65 books of the Bible. You asked me n what basis do you reject 7 books? Those additional 7 books have errors, not of God. Though parts may agree with the Holy Spirit, they must be thrown out and we can know they are not part of God's solidifying Word because they have those errors. Just as you say some church allocated 70 some books, proves that since there is only 66 books, that the true church was not the church adding those additional books. 6 is the number of Satan and it is the number of man because man loves his relationship with Satan. This marriage of 66 is shown throughout Scripture which God is breaking up. The unholy trinity of 666 will make its last stand together in the last week, using a man as the Antichrist and another man who is the false prophet attempting to copying the Holy Spirit. In the number of the books, this meaning is lost, and if I do an indepeth study of any of those additional books or lost books, I will show you where there is something not of the Holy Spirit. Can't you sense it with the Holy Spirit in your spirit? If you can't then you might not be saved since you are adding books. It appears I am speaking to Satan's playground here adding books ot the Bible. How dangerous is this byzantine place. The real reason I could not stay long here is because the evil spirit is too strong, too infecting, destroying life here.
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Troy wrote: The reason I am leaving is because your errors are too many. You have gotten so away from the church. Troy, The real reason you are leaving is because you cannot answer some simple questions about the source of your authority to speak. The real reason you keep coming back is because you know in your heart that the theology you promote is false. You have said that our �errors are too many.� Who are you to judge? What gives you the authority to issue such a judgment? There are tens of thousands of people like you - maybe even hundreds of thousands. Each considers himself to be an �informal apostle� and each has unique teachings that he claims is the only true teaching. On what authority do you claim that your teaching is true? You say that you have been led by the Holy Spirit. So do thousands of others with teachings in direct opposition to yours. You say that the spirit is within you. So do thousands of others with teachings in direct opposition to yours. You have no authority to speak whatsoever. You describe my questions to you as �lowball�. How is it �lowball� to ask someone about the basis of authority for the teaching he presents? It is most logical that when someone presents himself as a teacher that one asks for his credentials. You have been asked for your credentials numerous times and you have none. You have no basis of authority on which to speak. Troy wrote: The reason I am not staying here is because no one wants to keep talking to a wall, and since you do not deal with the matter of locality at all, nor shall I deal with you, for this is the solution to your regionally dividing the body of Christ. Again, the real reason you say you are leaving is because you cannot answer simple questions about the basis of your authority to speak and the source of the Bible you pretend to speak authoritatively about. As for me, I am perfectly happy to keep witnessing Truth to someone like you who does not have Truth and who has been malformed by a cult. The seeds I send to you via questions will penetrate the walls of the heresy your cult is steeped in and will be planted. If you are open to Truth the seeds will grow and you will be led into the Church. Troy wrote: Martin Luther was a calvinist so as a calvinist he had no authority in selecting the books. Jude belows as do the other 65 books of the Bible. You have previously indicated that the Church fathers had no authority to vote on which books belong to the Bible. Now you say that Martin Luther had no authority in selecting the books. Yet you use the Church�s New Testament and accept Martin Luther�s removal of books from the Old Testament? What is your authority for choosing which books belong to the Bible? Troy wrote: Those additional 7 books have errors, not of God. Though parts may agree with the Holy Spirit, they must be thrown out and we can know they are not part of God's solidifying Word because they have those errors.
�I will show you where there is something not of the Holy Spirit. On what authority do you issue such a judgment? What is the basis of your authority to speak? Why should anyone believe what you say? There are tens of thousands of people like you. Each has a different teaching and each claims it to be the only truth. Troy wrote: Can't you sense it with the Holy Spirit in your spirit? If you can't then you might not be saved since you are adding books. I didn�t add the books. At Church councils in the fourth and fifth century the bishops prayed over different books and voted which books belonged to the Bible. You now say that those who accept 73 books in the Bible might not be saved. But the Church fathers who voted to place 27 books in the New Testament also believed that there were 46 books in the Old Testament. This is historical fact. Are you now stating that the very bishops who gave you the New Testament were not saved because they proclaimed there were books in the Old Testament that you claim are full of errors? How do you then explain why they got the New Testament right and the Old Testament wrong? On what basis do you reject their decisions on the Old Testament but accept their decisions on the New Testament? Are you saying that the Holy Spirit led unsaved men to create the New Testament you quote from? On what authority do you make such accusations? Troy wrote: It appears I am speaking to Satan's playground here adding books ot the Bible.
How dangerous is this byzantine place.
The real reason I could not stay long here is because the evil spirit is too strong, too infecting, destroying life here. So now you utter even more accusations! You accuse the bishops who gave you the New Testament of being �Satan�s playground� because they affirmed all 73 books of the Bible! On what authority do you make such claims? What is your right to speak? You say you sense an evil spirit. I believe that that evil spirit you sense is Satan, who is desperately trying to keep you in a cult. As long as you stay in your cult you will not have a healthy relationship with Jesus Christ. I am praying for you. So are many members of this Forum. Open your heart and the Lord will lead you home into the Church. Admin
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Troy, I see your frustration with the questions the Administrator asks, yet you must realize that you haven't actually answered a single question! St. Peter tell us: Always be ready to give an explanation to anyone who asks you for a reason for your hope, but do it with gentleness and reverence, keeping your conscience clear, so that, when you are maligned, those who defame your good conduct in Christ may themselves be put to shame. (1 Pt 3:15b-16) Is hurling accusations consistent with Peter's advice? Is posting links to material that does not answer the questions really consistent with what Peter tells us to do? If, as you claim, you have the Holy Spirit in you, why do you not act like it? Why not discard your links and post simple answers that people can understand? Fr. Deacon Edward
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I don't cater to 1001 questions, for that is merely your flesh excited. Men think they smother another with a birrage of 1001 questions, but that is merely the excited soul, instead of caring for the truth.
The answer to your riddle is no problem at all. The truth of your mistaken assumption is simple.
The Holy Spirit is able to move upon men, and in men. In other words, what the Holy Spirit accomplishes is necessarily dictated on what bishops do or do not do for the Holy Spirit can work on men or in men, saved, or unsaved. God will get His work done and the 66 books of the Bible are complete.
What you ought to do is find out why those additional books are not considered the Word of God, for you see, it is not dependent on man's compiling, but the Holy Spirit had already compiled. God already had it in His heart which were the books of the Bible, 66, and then what you can do is follow or trace how God used men to that aim.
All of this is provable too, as it can be proved why these additional books are excluded, one by one, line by line, precept by precept.
It is a wonderful study of history of how God managed to come to the compiling, and getting men to give into that compiling. Praise the Lord. Hence today, we have 66 books of the Bible.
It is a long and arduous study too, to see exactly why those books were excluded, things that your flesh still linger onto.
Satan has a heyday with that stuff.
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Troy wrote: I don't cater to 1001 questions, for that is merely your flesh excited. Men think they smother another with a birrage of 1001 questions, but that is merely the excited soul, instead of caring for the truth. Troy, I have not asked you 1001 questions. I have asked you one question many times: �What is the source of your authority?� You claim to be an �informal apostle�. There are tens of thousands of people like you. Each claims to be an �informal apostle�. Each has teachings that are different. On what authority do you claim that your teaching is true and their teachings false? You say that you have been led by the Holy Spirit. So do thousands of others with teachings in direct opposition to yours. You say that the spirit is within you. So do thousands of others with teachings in direct opposition to yours. You have offered no reasons for anyone to believe that you speak with authority. You have no authority to speak whatsoever. You are a false teacher and doing grave damage to the Church of Jesus Christ. Troy wrote: The Holy Spirit is able to move upon men, and in men. In other words, what the Holy Spirit accomplishes is necessarily dictated on what bishops do or do not do for the Holy Spirit can work on men or in men, saved, or unsaved. God will get His work done and the 66 books of the Bible are complete. What is the source of your authority to state this? You say that the Holy Spirit has decided that there are only 66 books in the Bible and not 73. On what basis do you state this? Why do you believe that the Holy Spirit got it wrong in the fifth century and later fixed His error when Martin Luther threw out 7 Old Testament books? When Martin Luther threw out the 7 Old Testament books he also threw out Jude, James and Revelation from the New Testament. Why do you believe that the Holy Spirit inspired Martin Luther correctly in throwing out these 7 Old Testament books but incorrectly in throwing out Jude, James and Revelation from the New Testament? On what authority do you make such decisions? The fact that you have no answers to these simple questions is clear testimony of the falseness of your teachings. Troy wrote: What you ought to do is find out why those additional books are not considered the Word of God, for you see, it is not dependent on man's compiling, but the Holy Spirit had already compiled. God already had it in His heart which were the books of the Bible, 66, and then what you can do is follow or trace how God used men to that aim. If you believe that the Holy Spirit has already compiled and that he does not use His Church to speak to His people, then how did the Bible come into existence? On what basis do you state authoritatively that there are only 66 books and not 73? It is historical fact that people you have accused as being possibly unsaved voted and presented the Bible to the Church and the Church accepted it. Why was the Church wrong? Why were you right? On what basis do you claim authority to speak about this? Why is your authority superior to that of tens of thousands of other people claiming to be infallible �informal apostles�? No. Your claims to be led by the Holy Sprit are false. When we test your claims against the teaching of Christ your teaching is clearly false. What you think is the Holy Spirit is actually emotion. And your emotion is not of the Holy Spirit. Troy wrote: All of this is provable too, as it can be proved why these additional books are excluded, one by one, line by line, precept by precept. What is your authority to determine what is true and what is false? The men who gave you the Bible believed that these books were divinely inspired. Why do you believe them to be wrong? Why should anyone believe what you say? On what authority do base your teachings? If you claim the Holy Spirit then you must explain why you believe that you alone are correct and all others with differing opinions who also claim to be led by the Holy Spirit are wrong. If you claim the Bible then you must explain why you believe that your interpretation alone is correct and the interpretation of others who disagree with you is incorrect. Don�t you see the problem with your theology? Don�t you see that what you are teaching is a total falsehood, that it is against Christ? You have no authority to speak. You are a member of a cult and that cult has twisted your thinking. Come out of her and come home to Christ. We are praying for you and will welcome you home. Admin
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Let him go for now. Lift him up to God and let him go. No one can be forced to be redeemed. He is doubtless rather young. Someone supports him financially. As you say, maybe in six months or six years, he will see and understand.
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Billigerence is not a trait of a Christian.
By asking me the same question over and over, and hundreds of other questions, shows but one thing. Your mind is out of control, and not dealing specifically. This is not a renewed mind.
After several times already stated what my authority it is, as is the case for all apostles, it is the authority of God by the Holy Spirit in agreement with the Word that my authority comes to you, here to help you, though you hath not an ear to hear, which is to be expected. This is hard for you to understand and accept I know, but that is more than to be expected. Such is the way of man.
To show you the mind overstimulated check this overassuming thought, "someone supports him financially".
Now if you want to deal with something specific, I am here for that. But if all you want to do is remain in self-proclamations and self-declarations, then no one can really deal with you because you are then a zombie ranting off mindlessly. That is how you come across to God right now.
If you want to accuse me of something, do so specifically, and I will show in the Word of God your false accusation. What Satan likes to do is be a generalist accuser, so that you don't even know what you are being accused. This is an example of how mindless the evil spirit is. This is how you are coming across with your 1001 generalist questions. Are you so vain as not to be able to deal with anything specifically, accussing so generally nothings?
What you will notice in many of the questions you are asking, are that they are highly deceitful and manipulative. For example, you will ask one thing, and then presume in that question something else that must necessarily follow when it does not. This is an fallacy in reasoning. It's an unethical way of being. No wonder I do not address your 1001 mindless questions.
These comments are for you to help you in thought processes to have a renewed mind, not to be belligerent.
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Troy wrote: By asking me the same question over and over, and hundreds of other questions, shows but one thing. Your mind is out of control, and not dealing specifically. This is not a renewed mind. Hi, Troy! I�m glad you�re back again. The reason I ask the same questions over and over again is because you have not answered them. Troy wrote: After several times already stated what my authority it is, as is the case for all apostles, it is the authority of God by the Holy Spirit in agreement with the Word that my authority comes to you, here to help you, though you hath not an ear to hear, which is to be expected. This is hard for you to understand and accept I know, but that is more than to be expected. Such is the way of man. Yes, you have stated that you believe your authority is from the Holy Spirit. But so have ten thousand other people who say the same thing and offer a teaching that is entirely different from yours. You have not once stated why you believe that you are right and they are wrong. You have offered no basis on which anyone should believe anything you say. I am not asking about the specifics of your theology. I am only asking you to prove beyond all doubt that you alone speak authoratitively about what the Bible means. Troy wrote: If you want to accuse me of something, do so specifically, and I will show in the Word of God your false accusation. OK. I accuse you of being a false teacher. Prove to me from the Bible that you and only you have the authority to teach about Jesus Christ. Prove to me how you assembled your Bible, how you choose which books belong and which do not. Explain in clear detail, without resorting to links to other sites, why everyone else who claims to be an informal apostle is wrong in their theology and you alone are correct. Your words are not inspired by the Holy Spirit and your words are not in agreement with the Word of God. This is quite clear to anyone who reads what you write. I am praying for you, that you will come out of that cult. Admin
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The evil spirit will pray for me. But his prayers will not succeed.
You are accusing me, yet I do not even know what you are accusing me of for you don't say. That is a tactic of the evil spirit. He loves to be generally empty in his accusations. There is nothing I can say to that except that you are following in his footsteps.
You keep asking for my authority, and I keep giving it. If I have not altered the Word of God, when I say I am an informal apostle as directly led by God, then why should you doubt me? If others say they are apostles but are proven wrong in their altering the Word, then you have reason to doubt them. So why are you falsely accusing? Do you not see your flesh at work here?
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