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Traditionally and canonically in both Orthodoxy and Catholicism, a particular Church does not "self-elevate"
If all were right with the world, then the original Orthodox patriarchal see of Ukraine, Constantinople, and the de facto and de jure patriarchate of Ukraine, Moscow, could agree and C. could grant Kiev autocephaly. But since, yes, Kurto, the Byzantine Catholics are in a dysfunctional situation with the Romans, the Ukrainian Catholics have only two options, ask Rome�s permission (the asking-teacher-to-write-a-bathroom-pass analogy) and get the door slammed in their faces or self-elevate.
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If all were right with the world, then ...Constantinople, and the de facto and de jure patriarchate of Ukraine, Moscow, could agree and C. could grant Kiev autocephaly Which is somewhat like saying if all was right in the world, all would be Orthodox. Yes, that is an Orthodox point of view. The Ukrainians in question, however, happen to be Catholic. They have already been granted autocephaly by the Holy Father. And either I nor they accept Moscow's claims on Ukraine. K.
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My friends here, and offline, understand the plain meaning of what I wrote. The Schism between the western and eastern halves of the universal Church was a mistake. But my friends, including several Byzantine Catholics, and I agree that creating the Byzantine Catholic groups like the Ukrainian Catholic Church at the Orthodox� expense was also a mistake.
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Hello Folks,
Cardinals aren't neccesarily a "Roman office."
Cardinals are just men who will vote for the next Pope. It can consist of a priest (not a bishop), Eastern Bishop, Western Bishop, even a woman. Cardinals do not have any ranks in the Roman Catholic or Byzantine Catholic Churches.
However, utmost respect are usually made so well because one of these men will be the next Pope, so gotta treat all of them nice, like kissing butt.
Metropolitans, Archbishops, bishops, etc. are more important, these men are the ones we pay more respect to because they are our local Hiearch, not College of Cardinals.
As I understand, a Metropolitan is kind of like auxillary or co-adjutor Patriarch of a Particular Patriarchate Church or of a Particular National Church?
Example: Ukrainian Catholic Patriarch is in Liav, Ukraine and Ukrainian Catholic Metropolitan would be in Pittsburg (both are of the same of a National Church.
True Patriarchate Patriarch (Ecumenical) would be of Constantinople. So Ukrainian Catholic Patriarch in Liav, Ukraine would be like auxillary Patriarch of this Ecumenical Patriarch and Metropolitans can be an auxilliray Patriarch from either National Patriarch and Ecumenical Patriarch?
Is that right? Just curious that's all. I know it's all so confusing, huh folks? Wow.
Thanks for helping me understand that as well.
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