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Some time back, I came across a prosphora stamp in a thrift store. Now, this is not at all in the same league as an antimins, either in sacred significance or in monetary value; I bought it for a buck or two and gave it to a local parish, where at least it won't be used in some totally inappropriate way by someone who has no slightest clue what it is. Fortunately, there was no reserve to be met, so I could do it. I was a bit unhappy at seeing it turn up there, but that was nothing compared to an antimins up for auction. Can't you see some teenager turning it into a cool tank-top? Really, there ought to be a rescue fund for sacred item that turn up in the marketplace. Of course, in the spirit of Vatican II, I suppose, someone will probably complain that the money would be better spent improving the lot of the poor. Hmm--haven't I heard that somewhere before?
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GLORY TO JESUS CHRIST!
Stephen wrote: "...I came across a prosphora stamp in a thrift store..."
I found a HUGE one, the sauce of a desert plate in an "antique" store. The woman had a sign on it saying was a butter mold. She nearly flipped when I told her what it was and very quickly removed it from the table. I found out later that she donated it to the local Greek Orthodox parish.
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Originally posted by Medved:
The woman had a sign on it saying was a butter mold. She nearly flipped when I told her what it was and very quickly removed it from the table. I found out later that she donated it to the local Greek Orthodox parish.
mark Well, it's nice that you found a seller who was respectful, and quite literally repented of her mistake! Unfortunately, I have seen many, many antimensia and other relics for sale on eBay. And most of them do claim the relic inside is a gift. Like it would sell for $300 WITHOUT that relic inside! Tammy
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Brothers and Sisters:
I wouldn't blame all the sacred items for sale on eBay on post-Vatican II housecleaning.
Last week a man was caught after trying to pry a tabernacle off the back altar of a remote Catholic parish about 45 minutes from me. I don't remember the whole story--been away for CE for three days and my brain's fried--but if I recall correctly he wanted to sell this and other items the police found when he was caught. He damaged the locking mechanism in the attempt and they are now using a temporary tabernacle.
Of course, my favorite story from my professional journal was the robbery during a funeral many years ago. The thieves passed a bag, taking all the watches and jewelry from the mourners, and then proceeded to take all the sacred vessels that were on the altar before fleeing. Great world!!
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Dear Friends:
There is another one for sale on Ebay.
This will make at least the fifth one I have seen so far.
All of them are the same as the previous with little variations.
They are generaly selling for around $300.00.
They must be the military ones spoken of in the previous posts.
Where would these things be coming from, someone out there must be letting them out for sale.
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If so many are coming up for sale, do you think that someone could be a good forger? You can buy blank antimensia at an Eastern Church supply store on the NET. What would it take to put a signature on one of those and "age" it like some antique forgers do?
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Originally posted by theophan:
If so many are coming up for sale, do you think that someone could be a good forger? You can buy blank antimensia at an Eastern Church supply store on the NET. What would it take to put a signature on one of those and "age" it like some antique forgers do?
BOB Hmmm! That's entirely possible. I don't know how you could authenticate them as valid in the first place.
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The above seems possible but the only antimensia I have seen online for sale have been Greek (the language used for the inscriptions). The ones for sale have been Slavonic (this one and the last). If he had close-up photos that showed the affiliation that might help.
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This is same seller as last time. With bid at $150, reserve is met; he is selling this one more cheaply than the last - possibly because there is no obvious signature on it. I can't get a clear enough image on this one to read dates, etc. In reply to a question that someone posted to the seller, he indicates that there is a relic sewn into the antimensium, but doesn't identify whose relic.
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Neil
"One day all our ethnic traits ... will have disappeared. Time itself is seeing to this. And so we can not think of our communities as ethnic parishes, ... unless we wish to assure the death of our community."
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Originally posted by Tony:
The above seems possible but the only antimensia I have seen online for sale have been Greek (the language used for the inscriptions). The ones for sale have been Slavonic (this one and the last). If he had close-up photos that showed the affiliation that might help. Just to be clear. The only antimensia I have seen available new (no name, no relic) online are Greek. The used (supposedly consecrated, etc.) ones available on ebay have all been Slav.
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