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For what it's worth I have a Sluzhebnik published in Rome in 1943 and a companion book of the "Chin" (order)of the Liturgy of St. John also published in Rome in 1943.

According to both books the Pope is commemerated four times during the Liturgy as "our lord the most holy vselenskag(h)o(?)High Priest the Pope of Rome
(Papu Rimskag(h)o).

The Proskomedia in both books also commemorates him once in the same manner as above.

SJB

It seems clear to me that the practices of the Slavic communities vary from those of the Near Eastern communities.

I'll pull up what I can and 'expose' what I find. My general suspicion is that each traditional Byzantine parochial community commemortates its bishop and its metropolitan Archbishop. The bishop and archbishop in turn commemorate the patriarch since he is the next level up. But it is not appropriate for the parish. Our communion with the universal church comes through our communion with our bishop.

Blessings!

Dear Father in Christ, Dr. John,

You bring up yet another important point.

Here in Canada we have an Archeparchy at Winnipeg with a Metropolitan-Archbishop.

We commemorate the Metropolitan with our Bishop for Eastern Canada in the Liturgy.

But is the Metropolitan "over us" in the same sense that he would be elsewhere? Are we organized as one Church, or is the Metropolitan's Archeparchy somehow "independent?"

We've had debates on this before.

Any light you could shed on the subject would be much appreciated!

Alex

Vselenskaho = Ecumenical or Universal.

As in "vselenskyj sobor" = Ecumenical Council.

In our liturgies in English I've heard usages of both "ecumenical" and "universal" pontiff, depending on the edition & jurisdiction.

>>>God Save The Queen!<<<

Forgive me for not feeling as cordially toward the English as you

Columcille

Dear Columcille,

Entirely understandable, "old wombat!"

As an active monarchist, I also belong to other groups including a Hawaiian one and one that supports the return of the High Kings of Erin.

At least we in Canada have, as our Head of State, the Crown that is a Christian symbol displaying the Cross first and foremost.

And where is the Cross in your U.S. emblems?

Alex

>>>And where is the Cross in your U.S. emblems? <<<

Nowhere, of course. It might offend some wiccan

Columcille

[As an active monarchist, I also belong to other groups including a Hawaiian one and one that supports the return of the High Kings of Erin.

At least we in Canada have, as our Head of State, the Crown that is a Christian symbol displaying the Cross first and foremost.

And where is the Cross in your U.S. emblems

Alex]

As a monarchist myself (despite being raised in one of the only absolute and tyrannical monarchies on the face of this Earth), I salute, excuse me, kneel in respect before such a comeback that would put Cyrano de Bergerac in the scrap heap of obsoleteness. As much as I have a tremendous hate for England's rape of Ireland and its people, I have no allegiance towards republicanism (yes, I recited the Pledge a few times....it was a boy scout thing.)

And Columcille, my friend, get yourselves a Catholic monarch..now...and charge the North, and devastate EU. Didn't you Celts give us the legend of Arthur? Now show us your mettle.

I'll be there with Scottish bagpipe squads to terrify the enemy.

In IC XC
Samer

As the administrator I don't normally get involved in the posting (and only read the threads when I have a few free minutes), but I just can't help myself with this one:


Sammer,

Just how badly do you play that your playing terrifies the enemy?

Dear Administrator,

I was taught by the great and illustrious master, the Gaulish bard, Cacofonix. I hear he's adept at instigating bufallo stampedes when he sounds his drone note. (Have isons been known to have any similiar effects?)

So you agree that the bagpipes are lovely sounding instruments then? I graciously, in the spirit of sacrifice, accept as fact that my lousy playing would most probably be the possible cause of any swift and frantic evacuation by soldiers and wildlife in the immediate vicinity, rather than attribute such titanic effects to the claim that bagpipes are inherently defective instruments and anything but musical.

Seriously though, the Jordanian army, thanks to the British mandate, has bagpipers. Very unusual for a folk instrument from the Highlands to end up in a land of desert people.

In IC XC
Samer




[This message has been edited by SamB (edited 06-15-2001).]

Dear Alex,

When they let the House of Savoy back into Italy, you let me know. I hear the prospects of that happening are better today than before.

In IC XC
Samer