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Originally posted by Mor Ephrem:
Of course, David's point that the Pope is not just Patriarch of Rome but head of the whole Catholic Church is duly noted, and is one reason why under the present circumstances I'd agree with his position that Eastern Catholic prelates should have some say. But I still think it is, for lack of a better word, wrong. Phil, I agree with you here, in a perfect system things would be different. But the fact is its not perfect and many things are wrong about how things are done. We must work in this system and until such a time as there is a change, I think this is the best. David
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Dear David,
In your last post you write: "Seems lately that people outside of our sui iuris Churches have been criticizing the acts of our heirarchs and actions of them". First of all I would like to tell you that I am not outside "our sui iuris Churches". By the way "sui iuris Church" is a Latin and not Eastern canonical concept, I suppose that our father Saint John Chrysostomus was not aware of the fact that he was patriarch of a "sui iuris" Church and I also suppose that he would never acept the tittle of cardinal of the Roman Church because the popes of that period would never offer such a title to a patriarch. From my point of view that is not necessary to be member of a "sui iuris" Church to criticize the acts of the hierarchs of a sui iuris Church, that is something new for me. When I talk with my Orthodox friends and show them my disaproval towards some of the actions of the Orthodox hierarcy, they never tell me to not to criticize them because of not being Orthodox. From time to time Father Mark and me use this forum to express our different ecclesiological concepts (probably no so different) and to analyze different problems of the Orthodox Church. Father Mark has never used the "that is not your bussiness" argument in our discussions. I believe that all the members of this forum are here because we want the same thing: the good of the Church of Christ. If we criticize the actions of some hierarch here is not because we hate them or we do not respect them but because we love the Church and we belive that some aspects of the life of the Church things can and should change for better.
Yours in Chrit
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Dear Francisco, And this is why MY bishop knows I'm practically LOST in adoration of him!!  Alex
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Alex, remember that when the UGCC was outlawed in Communist Ukraine and the bishops of the diaspora were forced to go to Rome for their world-wide synod. Maybe they just got used to going to Rome, you know how "Greek Catholics" don't like change! Ung-Certez 
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Dear Ung-Certez,
You could be right!
Patriarch Josef Slipyj was always most impressed by Rome and when I met him, he urged me to go to Rome to study to be a priest and nowhere else because "Rome is Rome you know . . ."
And it is . . .
There's nothing wrong with the Ukies having their institutions in Rome as well as in Lviv, Kyiv and Kazakhstan for that matter.
Rome is the universal city and it still is a great centre for theological and philosophical thought and study.
Alex
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