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Angela

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Isn't it supposed to be "In Christ"?

hello,does the byzantine church accept all roman catholic doctrine such as the immaculate conception,papal infallibiblity,purgatory andoriginal sin?please help,thanks

Valentino,

At the core of it all, yes, they Eastern Catholic Churches accept these things as valid and true, but not as part of their theological tradition. These are all very latinized terms, and need not be so defined in Eastern Catholicism. The Eastern Catholic Churche are fully Catholic, and accept everything that is required of the One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Faith. But, as said before, they have their own "theological alternatives" that are parallel to but not exactly like these very Latin concepts. Each view, Western and Eastern, is as Catholic as the other, and both are completely acceptable and compatible (sp) in Catholicism. Hope that helps.

ChristTeen287

thanks christeen

Hello,

I just looked at the EWTN website this morning to look for who the guests will be on "EWTN Live" and of course I saw that Fr. Michael will be on this week to talk about "The Light of the East" series.

But I also came across another Eastern guest...which will be Bishop Hector Youssef Doveihi from Eparchy of St. Maron in Brooklyn. He's a Maronite Catholic. So how interesting!

According to the website, he will appear on December 11th. So mark your calendars as well.

I'll be interested to watch the topic of Maronite Catholic as I haven't been exposed much of it yet.

God bless.

SPDundas
Deaf Byzantine

ChristTeen287,

Unfortunately the bishop will not allow EWTN to air the Tridentine Mass. Trust me I know EWTN only wanted to air the Latin Mass at first but the bishop forbid it. There is a GREAT struggle going on between the liberal bishops in the USA and EWTN. There is plenty of info on this on the net just do a search. Here isa good article on the Latin Mass, Bishop Foley, and EWTN: http://www.adoremus.org/1199-Foley.html

One side note, the reason why the 2 Byzatine priest are doing "Light of the East" is to educate Catholics about the East. There are other reasons for this (political ones). EWTN would like to have the divine liturgy on a regular bases but they must first educate the Catholics who think Byznatines are not Roman Catholic. Bishop Foley does not have jurisdiction over the Byznatines

Keep the Liturgy facing east!

Only for Byzantines? What about the others? Is there any interest in airing the Liturgies of other Eastern Catholic but non-Byzantine Churches?

Mor Ephrem,

It seems that you have a chip on your shoulders about other Eastern non-Byzantine Catholics not getting enough attention.

I'm not trying to sound grumpy, but this attitude seems to be getting a little too old.

If you want EWTN to broadcast other Eastern Catholic liturgies...then YOU make the effort to make it happen. The Byzantine priests after all made the effort to approach EWTN about it.

If you want other Eastern Catholics to be made known...then YOU MAKE THE EFFORT to make it known. I encourage you. Otherwise...don't gripe about it on the "BYZANTINE" Forum...which is titled "BYZANTINE CATHOLIC FORUM."

I'm not trying to berate you or anything and I'm not trying to insult you or anything.

Maybe set up your own forum or whatever. Get your people together and try to approach and encourage EWTN to air your liturgies.

The "BYZANTINE" priests on "The Light of the East" were kind enough to include your rites and others on the show topics.

Maybe I'm wrong about my perception of you having "a chip on your shoulder." My perception perhaps may be wrong, but it's the impression I'm getting. If I'm wrong, then forgive me and I'm sorry.

SPDundas
Deaf Byzantine

Glory to Jesus Christ!

I fell they will do the Marionite Liturgy at some point, especailly with Fr. Packwa being bi-ritual Maronite and we have St. Elias Marionite Church here in Birmingham. Also, we have St. Georges Greek Melkite here in Birmingham also, so it would not be a great expence to have it also.

Rose

It seems that you have a chip on your shoulders about other Eastern non-Byzantine Catholics not getting enough attention.

Not a chip on my shoulders, although that is one possible reading of what I thought was a simple question on my part. I just don't like to see "The East" be relegated to Byzantine Christians, who, when you think of it, are Western Christians. If Byzantium is seen as the be all and end all of Eastern Christianity, as it is so seen by many, Catholics and Orthodox, then you ignore a good chunk of apostolic Christianity.

I'm not trying to sound grumpy, but this attitude seems to be getting a little too old.

How is it getting old? I submit that it is getting old because you and your Churches are not on the receiving end of it. But when you are on the receiving end of something, you will react the same way. I've seen it myself.

If you want EWTN to broadcast other Eastern Catholic liturgies...then YOU make the effort to make it happen. The Byzantine priests after all made the effort to approach EWTN about it.

A fair point, and surely our priests should be encouraged by their people and by their Byzantine brethren to do such things. But it is my opinion that EWTN, if it wants to bill itself as the "Global Catholic Network", should also take some initiative with these things. I don't suggest that EWTN set up everything and then just bring in a couple of priests to do their thing. But surely it should express some interest to the proper people (bishops/eparchs, perhaps?) regarding shows about other Eastern Catholics. If they have done this and I don't know about it, let me know. But if they haven't (and my gut feeling is that it hasn't been done), then I have a problem. I thank God that these Byzantine priests have been given the chance to do their thing twice, but what if they didn't? Would EWTN have sought out this sort of show?

If you want other Eastern Catholics to be made known...then YOU MAKE THE EFFORT to make it known. I encourage you. Otherwise...don't gripe about it on the "BYZANTINE" Forum...which is titled "BYZANTINE CATHOLIC FORUM."

I'm sorry that I spoke when I wasn't spoken to nor had the proper membership with which to speak...

I'm not trying to berate you or anything and I'm not trying to insult you or anything.

The fact that you're not trying makes this worse.

Maybe set up your own forum or whatever.

LOL! I can never win...

The "BYZANTINE" priests on "The Light of the East" were kind enough to include your rites and others on the show topics.

Oh. I thought the name of the show was Light of the East, not Light of Constantinople. I didn't think it was a matter of being "kind enough" to include our "rites" (funny how the Byzantines are always keen on insisting that they are Churches and not "rites", but anything else is a "rite"?), but rather a matter of being consistent, even if the show did have a decidedly Byzantine feel (which I did not mind at all).

Maybe I'm wrong about my perception of you having "a chip on your shoulder." My perception perhaps may be wrong, but it's the impression I'm getting. If I'm wrong, then forgive me and I'm sorry.

It is not that I have a chip on my shoulder, for to have such a chip would be a sign of insecurity or inadequacy. I don't need Byzantine Christians to acknowledge my Eastern-ness, for if they are Eastern, I am more so as a Syrian and an Indian. It is a matter of being consistent about the fact that, contrary to popular belief, the East does not stop at some point in Eastern Europe.

Your impression was wrong, but I accept your apology. For my part, I apologise if I have offended you.

The Byzantine Forum is NOT a Byzantine Catholic Forum. It was created as a forum for all Eastern Christians, Catholic and Orthodox. The title of the Forum does not use the term �Catholic� particularly for this reason.

In recent weeks several individuals have reminded me that some non-Byzantine Eastern Christians believe that the term �Byzantine� in the name of the Forum excludes them. This is something I had not considered when creating the Forum. I have already begun discussions with several individuals to determine if a name change is appropriate or if the title �The Byzantine Forum� is already too well established to mess with. Suggestions and comments are welcome (but not in this thread!).

Mor Ephrem,
You may not have a chip on your shoulder but I do detect a growing bias within you.

I just don't like to see "The East" be relegated to Byzantine Christians, who, when you think of it, are Western Christians.

So now you rear your, Byzantine Rite of the Roman Catholic Church, head.

David

Dear spdundas and Mor Ephrem:

I would like to believe that the series "Light of the East," being a take-off from Pope John Paul's encyclical, will eventually cover all the Churches of the East, Oriental and Eastern Orthodox, and all other Apostolic Churches, being constitutive of the "other lung" of the Universal Church.

It just so happens that the Ruthenian Byzantine Catholic Church, through the efforts of Frs. Michael and Joe and, indirectly, Anthony Dagani, first gained a foothold at EWTN.

Fr. Michael revealed in his prior post that one of their upcoming guests is Fr. Roberson of the USCCB, who has been at the forefront in the Catholic-Orthodox dialogues here in the U.S.

Apparently, the Maronites are already in and, hopefully, the other Eastern Catholic Churches like the Melkites, the Syro-Malabars, the Armenians, et al. will have their day in the sun. Remember that all expenses are being underwritten solely by EWTN!

Next, God willing, will be the Eastern Orthodox and Oriental Orthodox Churches to complete the diversity and richness of Christ's Church.

One other factor that may skew the scheduling, nay the "availability" of programming devoted to the Eastern Churches, is the perceived size of the viewing audience. The funding of EWTN, I think, is the responsibility of Mother Angelica's religious Congregation and the on-board staff has to be precisely cost-conscious in their allocation of available resources.

But there is no denying the benefits a particular Church gets from EWTN exposure. With EWTN's recent additon of another Satellite trsnsmission facilities (making it 13?), the world's largest religious multi-media organization is now technologically geared to broadcast religious programming to "more than 98%" of the world's population! It is now hooked to more than 80 million TV sets worldwide.

For the time being, let's enjoy the current programming and fervently hope that EWTN eventually goes deeper into the East.

AmdG

Dear David,

I think you're too insecure.

First, I did not say "Byzantine Catholics", but "Byzantine Christians". That includes the Orthodox.

Second, I did not say "Roman Catholics", or "Western Catholics", or anything like that. I said "Western Christians". That also includes the Orthodox.

The Oriental Churches have always regarded both Rome and Constantinople as Western Churches, and their Christians as Western Christians. Simple geography will establish that we are more East than you, and hence one can understand how that view came about.

Of course, when one's view of Christianity is centred in Europe, one would not think that Byzantine Christians could in any way be considered Western. I recommend investing in a globe.

You and others here know me too well (or should know me too well) to know I am not the "Byzantine Rite Roman Catholic" type, and I resent that you would think so. But I understand if your insecurity caused you to see the word "Catholic" where I said (and meant) "Christian".

I've been doing too much writing in my own defence today to those who misread or misunderstood me, and I am tired and annoyed. So I'm gonna take a break and go out to Happy Hour.

Dear Administrator,

If you would email me or private message me, I'd like to hear from you what others have been thinking of and relating to you regarding the name of the forum, and offer you my own ideas, if you are interested in them.