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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Orthodox Catholic:


Republican presidents tend not to be candidates for canonization, and for some very good reasons.

Alex

Actually, Alex, if you recall when Ronald Reagan died a lot of people around here talked like they wanted to canonize him!
And a lot of Republican Catholics can't say enough about what a fine Christian George W is... frown
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Dear Daniel,

Thank you for agreeing with my original statement then! smile

I think you would be way more at home with a constitutional monarchy, sir! smile

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I thought Preident Regan's family had left the RCs and he not Catholic. I saw on a family tree is parents had been married in a Catholic Church but that seems to have been the end of the involvement with the RCs.

Speaking of Monarchs we have our head of state our here for a 5 day visits to this other realm of hers. HM the Queen is out to open the Commonwealth Games in Melbourne (attended by 71 countries). Not bad going for an 80 yr old, she has grueling schedule for the 5 days. The TV stations are trying to revieve the Republic debate but dont seem to be finding much response this time from the public. She is drawing good crowds where ever she goes. smile

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Dear Criostoir you said:

"Satan�s successes are the greatest when he appears with the name of God on his lips."

I say:

I tend to agree with you there, but I take it to mean a religious leader who is also a political leader. Although I have very little knowledge of the events, I have no doubt that Arch. Makarios of Cyprus, who was also the President of Cyprus, helped lead that nation to it's downfall.

We could also say that 'satan' works well when he finds someone that wears the cloth (rassa), that he can work through. Rasputin was a perfect candidate...and he did cure the Czarvich, if only temporarity.

On the other hand, a political leader who is truly a pious Christian, should have a moral and ethical integrity above and beyond that found in leaders far from God. That circumstances allow them to be decieved, can only be seen as God's providence in removing His discernment at that time and place.

You said:

Do I mistrust many of those with political authority? yes I do. Forgive me please, I am a sinner. I agree with the passing of time biases are usually removed and truth is revealed to all.

I say:

An absolute monarch is not a political figure. In the case of Czar Nicholas II, he gave in his resignation because he believed it was the best for his people. He stated later that had he known that Russia would be overcome by the Bolsheviks, he would never have resigned. He was born into that position, he didn't seek it.

You quoted:

"But as for nationalism being some kind of limitation or even vice - that is quite the crock of nonsense, sir!"

I say:

I think we have to differentiate between patriotism and nationalism. I believe a statement was made by the Patriarch of Constantinople in the 19th century stating that nationalism was a sin.

You said:

Tsar Nicholas II may not have been a nationalist but I assure you some who are nationalists adopt him as a hero.

I say:

I don't doubt that some nationalists will adopt him as their hero. As for Tsar Nicholas II being a nationalist, I really doubt that. His wife was Queen Victoria's grandaughter, and he himself was closely related to almost all the crown heads. Why he even looks like his first cousin, (or so I believe), King George of England.

The Czar did have though an obligation and responsibility towards his people and felt obligated to protect the Orthodox people in Serbia. That is what brought him into a war he was ill prepared for, and to his and Russia's destruction.

The Kaisar on the other hand, did not realize this obligation the Czar felt towards the Serbs. He really never thought his cousin would go to war. He was Queen Victoria's grandson, first cousin to the Czaritsa Alexandra.

You said:

Skinheads in Moscow might celebrate passion-bearer Nikola II while murdering an immigrant.

I say:

People will find any excuse to commit their dastardly deeds, but we must also realize that even though all Jews were not Bolsheviks, most Bolsheviks were Jews. Since the Jews were persecuted in whichever European country they lived in, they lacked a strong allegiance to that country and it's Christian monarch... preferring of course, a more secular and international political system.

What the Jews didn't realize is that without that Christian leader and the morality that comes with it, their persecutions would become greater.

Zenovia

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