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I just received an email from someone who wants a custom chaplet to "The Immaculate Conception of St. Joseph". They sent background info of some person in 2003 who supposedly received visions from Mary and Jesus telling them that St. Joseph was immaculately conceived.
This is the first time I have ever heard such a thing. Does the Catholic Church accept this vision?
If this is some heretical thing (like that weirdo in Canada that claims Jesus and Mary told him the Rapture is coming) do you think I should decline to make the beads this person is requesting?
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Tammy, there is a legitimate chaplet in honor of the seven sorrows and seven joys of St. Joseph. I havent' heard of one for the immaculate conception of St. Joseph.
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There is absolutely no Catholic teaching of "the immaculate conception of Saint Joseph"!
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I haven't heard that one, but there's some whacko (excuse me, disturbed person  ) based at a Catholic church in Palm Springs who wrote a long, long, loonnnng book in which she claimed, among other things, that St. Joseph was the bodily incarnation of the Holy Spirit. :rolleyes:
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I believe this devotion was condemned by the Sacred Congregation of Rites over a hundred of years ago.
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Dear friends, Please pray for this woman. I responded to her that I cannot make this chaplet for her, and why. Here is what I told her: After reading and researching the information you sent, I do not think I can in good conscience make this chaplet for you. I have been unable to find any approval or endorsement by the Church on these visions, on Catholic Answers, New Advent, Apparitions.org, or any other site.
The person who had these visions needs to submit them to the Church for investigation, not promulgate them on the internet. Visions and apparitions are always very carefully investigated by the Church before they are approved, and one that would put forth a new doctrine such as this would not be approved in the time of less than a year.
The Church does not teach that St. Joseph was immaculately conceived. The pious belief that he was sanctified before birth does not equal immaculate conception. St. John the Baptist was sanctified before birth, but was not immaculately conceived.
You must be very careful about accepting beliefs just because someone says they had a vision. Mohammad had a 'vision' and started Islam. Joseph Smith had a 'vision' and started the Mormons. There is a group in Canada that call themselves Catholic, and due to a 'vision' of Mary they are waiting for the Rapture - not a Catholic belief!
It is very easy for the Devil to infiltrate and take us away from the Church by misleading our pious beliefs. I strongly suggest you bring this chaplet and the background information to your priest or spiritual director for further counsel. She responded to me and was adamant that just because the Church doesn't teach it doesn't make it wrong. She argued that Mary's immaculate conception was a pious belief long before it was taught by the Church. Moe, do you have any documentation to show that this belief is not only NOT TAUGHT by the church, but has been CONDEMNED? If so, perhaps I can show her that to believe something NOT TAUGHT by the Church is one thing, but believing something that has been CONDEMNED by the Church is quite another. Tammy
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Tammy,
I haven't even been able to find anything on the net about this supposed vision (and these things almost always make it to the net these days). Did she offer you any links, etc.?
Many years,
Neil
"One day all our ethnic traits ... will have disappeared. Time itself is seeing to this. And so we can not think of our communities as ethnic parishes, ... unless we wish to assure the death of our community."
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She forwarded a bunch of these 'visions'. I ran a search on Tomkiel, read a few of her other 'visions' about how lazy and evil our priests are, and then looked around the home site. There is a Remnant Survival Guide :rolleyes: that tells you what first aid supplies you need to buy at Walmart and Dollar General for the coming holocaust. It doesn't say what evil will befall you if you buy it elsewhere...  Tammy
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Originally posted by Tammy: There is a Remnant Survival Guide :rolleyes: that tells you what first aid supplies you need to buy at Walmart and Dollar General for the coming holocaust. It doesn't say what evil will befall you if you buy it elsewhere... ROFL
"One day all our ethnic traits ... will have disappeared. Time itself is seeing to this. And so we can not think of our communities as ethnic parishes, ... unless we wish to assure the death of our community."
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Neil wrote: [/QUOTE] ROFL [/QB][/QUOTE] Neil, I am giving away my lack of computer 'savy' here, but what does ROFL stand for? I am guessing, "Right on for laughs", correct? Thanks. Bless your day,  Mary Jo
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I am giving away my lack of computer 'savy' here, but what does ROFL stand for? I am guessing, "Right on for laughs", correct? Thanks. I always heard it stands for "rolling on the floor laughing." But interestingly enough, I heard a priest say once that every time priests and bishops don't teach the authentic doctrines of the faith, they send another busload of little old ladies to Bayside or some other supposed apparition. BTW, (by-the-way), you might find this amusing. There was a lady in Estil Springs, TN who saw Jesus on the freezer on her back porch. She said she only saw him when the porch light was on, and he looked like Willie Nelson.
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There is a Remnant Survival Guide that tells you what first aid supplies you need to buy at Walmart and Dollar General for the coming holocaust. It doesn't say what evil will befall you if you buy it elsewhere... Oh no! Shades of Fr. Gruner again. He had some of the local crazies around here buying candles and supplies because the 3 days darkness was coming. This has been at least 10 years ago, so obviously it didn't come.
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There's a group in Canada building 'Asylum City'. When the 3 days of darkness comes, if you aren't in that city you won't get Raptured. The Rapture was prophesied to happen in April 2003 I think. When it didn't come Jesus told them he was just testing their faith. :rolleyes:
And they can't understand why Rome hasn't approved their group yet! The sad thing is they have started a monastic order in St. Charbel's name. No, that's not the sad thing. The sad thing is all the pious people that get led astray by these kooks.
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I know I will be punished for some of the things I have said, and I probably do deserve it.  But the son of some Baptist friends was upset because there was only one fish remaining in his aquarium. He wondered what had happened to the others. I told him it was the Rapture - one was taken, one was left. His dad wasn't too amused.
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byzanTN,
must have been "post-tribber".
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