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Don't forget that Scarlett O'Hara of (Gone with the Wind Fame) and Fr Ryan ( the poet laurette of the Confederacy) were Catholics. The Catholic population might have been small but it had more influence than one would think in the south.

Dear Friends,

I've always found Louisiana fascinating!

And they've always had a strong Catholic population, did they not in Dixieland? The entire Catholic Diocese of Quebec at one time, as I understand it, went from the province of Quebec to include southern Ontario and then went down the middle of the US and included Louisiana - which is why there are so many French place-names in that region i.e. Lafayette etc.

Was Maryland so called because of its large Catholic population? Were they segregated there by choice?

Alex

Alex,

My Weakland ancestors were in the first colonization of Maryland. Lord Baltimore was seeking to found a colony where Catholics could exercise their faith without fear. The original settlement founded in 1634 was called St. Mary's, although the name Maryland derives from the fact that King Charles I (the Martyr) named it after his wife Henrietta Maria (a Catholic). Happy coincidence or closet Anglo-Catholic devotion I do not know.

Fr. Deacon Lance

Alex,

The charter that Lord Baltimore received from King Charles I specified that the new colony was to be called Maryland to honor his wife Queen Mary.

Many years,

Neil

Alex, as you know the term "Cajun" derives from "Acadian", as they were descended from Canadian French in environs such as Nova Scotia who were evicted and persecuted by the British. Several thousand of these exiles found their way to Cajun country. What a change of climate...

Dear Father Deacon Lance and Brother Neil,

Ah, King Charles the Martyr's wife!

Well, then!!

I knew that the Carolinas were named for the Royal Martyr and Virginia for Queen Elizabeth I.

There are a number of High Church Episcopal parishes names for King Charles the Martyr in the U.S. - even some Spanish ones.

And I did an akathist to King Charles that is now an official liturgical text of the Society of King Charles the Martyr.

I don't own the rights to it any more, otherwise I'd post it here!

Alex (SKCM)

Dear Diak,

I'm asking, not telling, but when I was down in New Orleans, I came across several historic plaques that said the word "Cajun" was slang for "Canadian . . .?"

They were evicted as they would not take the oath of allegiance to the Crown.

Does the U.S. allow people to stay on if they refuse to take the oath of citizenship? I don't know . . .

I love the fact that so many signs in N'Awlins are written in three languages.

And I didn't know that "Dixie-land" comes from the French word "Dix" for the ten dollar bill that still had the French "Dix" even after the Purchase.

A great country, yours!

Alex

Thank you Alex! You just taught me so many things...and to think I'm an American. :rolleyes:

Zenovia

made a mistake, it wasn't Melancthon, it was Zwingli who broke with Luther over the Real Presence.
Much Love,
Jonn

They can stay as resident aliens as long as thier visa is valid. But they cannot become citizens w/o stating the oath of citizenship.
Trivia: Ausralia and New Zealand have dropped the oath to "'Queen Elizabeth and her lawful succesors" from thier oaths for new citizens. I don't think Canada has.

Dear David:

Permanent Residents ("Green card" holders) do not need a visa to stay in the U.S. They are "permanent residents." These are "considered" U.S. "citizens" in terms of benefits except the right to vote. Permanent residents just need to apply for their citizenship, if they want to. Some opt to remain "green card" holders indefinitely.

Thousands of "green card" holders are in the U.S. military service, from Afghanistan to Iraq. Casualties are always granted U.S. citizenship posthumously.

However, when travelling abroad, U.S. "green card" holders identification are: U.S. Permanent Residence Card and one's native passport (not U.S. passport.)

Temporary residents (longer than 3 months?) and visitors/tourists need their visas current or updated to sojourn in the U.S. These 2 categories are not eligible for citizenship.

Amado

Dear David,

No, Canada hasn't, although Canada's diplomats no longer need to mention their loyalty to the Crown etc.

Here, this is all done so as not to offend Quebec which is like an independent, republican state.

And Quebec, for all its shrines and Catholic appearance is really quite anti-religious.

However, the interesting thing is that when our English republican-minded people push to have an oath "to Canada" rather than to The Queen, the Quebec politicians scream to high heaven that they won't take it.

They will take an oath to the Crown as the protector of their rights as long as they are not a nation separate from Canada.

Quebec flies ONLY the Quebec flag and not the Canadian.

Even the former Prime Minister voted AGAINST a motion to make the Bloc Quebecois (our separatists in Ottawa) display the Canadian flag.

And this was also the SAME Prime Minister who promoted Canadian flag day (which is today).

But flag days are a republican tradition, we don't have it as a monarchy as flags don't have the same significance.

It's all "upside down" if you ask me!

Alex

Is the South missing out?

Alabama only has one Byzantine Church that is in Birmingham, St. Georges. Fr. Frank is an awesome priest. It is growing in leaps and bounds. The Church is packed every Sunday, there is a little room left in the balcony, not much. The chapel is ususally full too.

St. Georges is also blessed with Fr. Deacon Seraphim, a Melkite Deacon of 16 years. There is also a Bi-Ritual priest in Mobile, Fr. Ed Beachum. So.... We have one active Ruthenian deacon, my husband, along with one who is retired that came over from the Latin Rite years ago at St. Georges.

We are in the middle of the state. If y'all know of any down here have them contact us.

Pani Rose

Well, I don't know if the Diocese of Quebec stretched quite that far (I am NOT disagreeing, I just don't know)
but El Diocesis de La Habana, Cuba encompassed what is now Florida and the southern coast of the US.

Of course, this was during and after the year 1564, when a few intrepid Spanish Catholics founded St. Augustine, Florida, the oldest continuously inhabited municipality in the US. At one time in the early 1800s, it was part of the Diocese of Louisiana, so it shifted around a little bit.

Pani, thanx for the information. At some time in the enar future, I want to go to EWTN and I will try to stop by and see your church.

My brother in law lives in Bridgeville.

By all means please let us know if you are comeing, we would love to meet you. Of course it will be delightful to share in the Divine Litugy with you.

We live about two miles from EWTN.

Pani Rose