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Originally posted by Deacon John Montalvo: Dear Fr. Deacon John,
NO! This is a practice which should not have been allowed, as the prayers for tonsuring a Reader clearly state "This is the first step in the priesthood".
Gaudior, who has taken issue with this same Metropolitan's actions before.
I am assuming you were present or how else would you know that Met. Anthony used the above prayer to tonsure Eve Tibbs? Do not women who enter the monastic state receive tonsure without the prayer, "This is the first step in the priesthood"? Fr. Dn. John, According to a friend who is a tonsured reader in the Greek Church, Met. Anthony does indeed use the same prayer. Besides, the monastic tonsure of a nun is a different prayer altogether. Justin
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Justin,
thank you. Yes, that was my point and I was presuming Met. Anthony tonsured women readers without particular prayer related to the ministerial priesthood.
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Dear Gaudior: I am a tonsured reader. I assure you there was no mention in the service of a "first step" to anything. I know Metropolitan Anthony personally. I admire him for his courage to stand up and confront many issues that others shy away from. May I suggest that you (and I) will be eligible to "take issue" with him when we have degrees in Theology and Canon Law, and have nearly 50 years of pastoral experience as he does. With Every Good Wish, Michael Originally posted by Gaudior: Christ is Risen!
Truly He is Risen!
Dear Fr. Deacon John,
NO! This is a practice which should not have been allowed, as the prayers for tonsuring a Reader clearly state "This is the first step in the priesthood". 
Gaudior, who has taken issue with this same Metropolitan's actions before.
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Originally posted by Sarum:
Dear Gaudior:
I am a tonsured reader. I assure you there was no mention in the service of a "first step" to anything.
I know Metropolitan Anthony personally. I admire him for his courage to stand up and confront many issues that others shy away from.
May I suggest that you (and I) will be eligible
to "take issue" with him when we have degrees in Theology and Canon Law, and have nearly 50 years of pastoral experience as he does.
With Every Good Wish,
Michael
Reader Michael, Christos Anesti! Do the Greeks use a different prayer than the Slavs? If I'm not mistaken (I don't have the book handy here), the St. Tikhon's translation of the tonsuring of a reader includes the language of "first step of the priesthood" or something similar. It was my impression that it was indeed this prayer that he used in tonsuring women. Since you know a little better than us about the goings on in the G.O. Archdiocese, maybe you can explain the situation a little better than a picture and some (of my) anecdotal ramblings.  Justin
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For whatever it is worth, I am a tonsured reader in the OCA and the Hapgood book was used as it is routinely for these things and it includes that admonition and language.
Perhaps the full prayer or order with the prayers according to the Greek usage could be posted.
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Christos Anesti!
Now that I'm home, the Book of Needs published by St. Tikhon's includes an exhortation from the bishop to the newly tonsured reader that reads thus:
"Child, the first degree of the Priesthood is that of Reader. Therefore it is fitting for you to read every day in the Divine Scriptures, that they that hear, beholding you, may receive edification, and that you, in no way putting to shame your election, may prepare yourself for a higher degree...."
So it would appear from this that this is envisioned as a degree of the Priesthood and advancement ought to be possible. On this exhortation, it would seem that it should be limited to men.
This raises two questions: 1. Is this exhortation found in the Greek Euchologion? and 2. Is this prayer a later addition to the service of setting apart a reader, and if so, did it only come about after the order of deaconess had fallen into disuse? Not that the answers would definitively answer anything, but they would help.
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Dear Justin,
Whether the prayers at the service were added later or not, and I will endeavor to trace the GOA usage, being more familiar with the sources already cited, the office of reader (anagnost) is clergy according to Canon Law, and readers have several canons which apply to them as well. You will find them mentioned, IIRC, in the canons pertaining to which clergy may marry. But again, I will seach for canons naming them and post them for the edification of Michael. But I believe that the answers as above regarding the Hapgood Service book also clearly indicated this.
Readers are communed as Reader_______. In prayer, they are listed as Reader______. In the same way we list Sub-Deacons and Deacons on prosfora lists, or when communing them. A Reader is NEVER communed as just his first name, as he now has clerical rank. To do otherwise is incorrect.
In Russian parishes where strict observance to etiquette is observed, you will notice that during a Litya, the anointing procedes by clerical rank.
Gaudior, pointing out that often what is done on parish levels is NOT what is theologically or canonically correct.
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