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Is there a web page somwhere that we might see their beauty?

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What a wonderful link. I have never visited this beautiful Church, but the 'web site' presents it so well! A model, and worthy effort.

Thank you for posting it.

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Father Elias--

Are you planning to post any pictures of your new screen at St. George on your site? I'd love how the church looks now.

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John,

You are correct about the Icons. Here some pictures of Cathedral of Christ the Savior in Russia. Please look close at the Icons they are of the same style as St. Mary's

http://www.xxc.ru/english/foto/inside/s01/index.htm

However, I do prefer this style much better!
http://www.geocities.com/tarkulich/Nova_Sedlica_Church.html

See the pics of the original icon screen.

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I am sitting here looking with my mouth hanging open.
Totally awesome! Thanks for sharing them.

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Rose,

Which pics are those Rose?

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John,

Thanks for the link to the Redemptorists site -very informative as well!

These men were also dedicated hard workers for the Faith! It is amazing to me that during difficult economic times in basically undeveloped areas these priests pushed ever forward and laid the major groundwork for the future of Uk. Catholics in Canada! We need Forward Thinkers like them today.

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You're welcome, Sam.

The Redemptorists certainly contributed to the establishment of the Ukrainian Church in Canada. A number of Bishops came out of their ranks.

Perhaps they learned from the difficulties and divisions in the USA in the 1880s, or perhaps they had greater gifts of wisdom. Cartainly the Canadian Church came through its first generations with greater unity than we in the States.

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Father Elias--

Are you planning to post any pictures of your new screen at St. George on your site? I'd love how the church looks now.

John.
I would very much like to, but I depend upon others for the parish web site. I have never even attempted anything like a web page myself.

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Dear John K, this style of iconography is commonly known as the "Imperial" style because several tsars and tsarinas (such as Peter II, etc.) were very fond of Western style art, especially French and Italian. It really fluorished in Russia during the 18th and 19th centuries. It is much more expressionistic and humanistic relative to more traditional iconographic styles. Just contrast this style with St. Andrei Rublev or Theophanes the Greek.

During this same time some of the tsars were also very fond of some Italian architects, especially Rastrelli, who designed churches in Kyiv, St. Petersburg, etc.

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Dear Friends,

As Diak says, this style is the Western expressionistic art of the Tsars and of the Kyivan Baroque period.

The icon of the Pokrova is almost an identical copy of the "Kozak Pokrova" that was venerated in the Kozak "Sitch" near Kyiv and is now in the museum of Odessa.

Another similar type is the Pokrova where even Tsar Peter I himself is depicted standing among the Kozaks looking up at the Mother of God!

Yet another depicts the Polish King with Met. Dionysius Balaban - very Western in fact.

The Kozak Baroque is its own style, Westernized and all.

It is part of our Ukrainian/Ruthenian Church heritage today and kudos to those who took the trouble to reproduce that style that reminds us of the Kozak Crusaders of yesteryear, many of whom died fighting to liberate Christians enslaved by the Turks.

There are also a number of Kozak Saints such as St Pachomios of Patmos, Saints John and Paul of Rus', St Dmitry of Rostov and St Joasaph Horlenko and others.

This style would have been familiar to all of them.

So would the Rosary, St Bonaventure's Psalter of our Lady and the Little Office of the Virgin Mary as well as the 15 Prayers of St Birgitte of Sweden - Slavonic versions of which were published at Venice.

St Dmitry of Rostov also prayed the Rosary of the Sorrows of the Mother of God from France - which is today included in the Jordanville Prayerbook under the title of the "Tale of the Five Prayers."

He also prayed a Hail Mary at the beginning of each hour, 24 hours a day.

And yet, despite their Latinizations, they are Saints of the Orthodox Church.

Then there is St Tikhon of Zadonsk with his cell Stations of the Cross . . .

But I don't want to scandalize you more than I absolutely must . . . smile

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As an Old Ritualist, I have to say that I find the decoration un-nerving - sincerely. I cannot see how this has anything to do with Holy Rus and struggle to understand how the State Church can still contemplate turning to 'art' that is so alien to Orthodox tradition. The whole interior is spiritually disturbing.

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Bless me a sinner, Father Mark,

Well, the Kyivan Baroque tradition is certainly foreign to the northern Russian Old Ritualist spirituality.

But it certainly is part of the Ukrainian experience which considered too much of the Russian stuff to be quite dangerous to their spiritual and national health!

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Dear Alex -

I should add that I was talking about the pictures of the Cathedral of Christ the Saviour., NOT the Church on the other link.

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Bless me a sinner, Father Mark!

Oh! smile

Well, THAT church really IS of concern! wink

Alex

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