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Dear Friends,

St Benedict of Nursia is commemorated, on the Old Calendar, on March 27th.

The really wonderful thing is that St Benedict is honoured in the Orthodox East as well and his Rule is accepted as a legitimate Orthodox monastic rule too.

I understand there was even a Benedictine monastery, prior to the schism, on Mt Athos,"Amalfion?"

Are there Orthodox Benedictines today?

Are there Eastern Catholic Benedictines?

Of the 15 Pope Benedicts preceding the current Pope, two are honoured as saints - Pope St Benedict II and Blessed Pope Benedict XI.

Are there Benedictine Oblates among us here?

If so, identify yourselves!

Alex

Thus posted Tony:
> The system for transliteration used among
> Carptho-Russians (based on the old Czech/Slovak
> spelling system) renders the yat' -'i. This is
> a simple -i sound. So virgin is d'iva...

I wish I had figured out how to post in Slavonic Cyrillic (the fonts available to me don't have "yat" among other archaic letters). Your point is well taken; I'm a non-Slav (an ethnic Greek) who learned Slavonic from Russians, but have been around many other Slavs, including many Serbs, Ukrainians, and Bulgarians. Most Slavs do not use the pronunciation you indicate, but most Byzantine-Rite Catholic Slavs do, and they are the majority here. I am not following anyone's transliteration scheme because I don't know how Slavonic is written in the Latin alphabet.

However, I thought it best to give all variation known to me, which is why I included what Serbs do.

The verb "to remember" is transitive, so we are talking about the accusative case. Not only did I check my Slavonic dictionary, but also consider "Remember me, O Lord, when Thou comest into Thy kingdom", where "me" is "m'a", which is accusative only.

"Pope" is a second declension noun (one of the few masculine second declension nouns), so "remember ... the Pope of Rome" should be "pom'ani ... papu rimskaho".

Finally, note that the animate/inanimate distinction in the accusative of first declension nouns that is always the rule in north Slavic languages (certainly in Russian) is only a tendency in Slavonic.

Photius

Alex:

Bro. Elias, our Benedictine monk from Conception Abbey in Missouri, must still be "in awe" after the election of Pope Benedict XVI that he has not joined us in our rejoicing!

For a while, DavidVA was an "Episcoplian Benedictine Oblate" who had a retreat at Conception Abbey, before he converted to Orthodoxy sometime last year!

Hail to all Benedictines, who extend an olive branch to all!

"HABEMUS BENEDICTUS!"

Amado

May God grant the new Pope much wisdom and many years!

Andrew (who noticed that a large number of the liberal Catholics with whom he works called out sick today. May God grant them wisdom so that they can get their health back.)

Dear Andrew,

While I'm sure they'll be back at work tomorro, just for your own protection, I think you should be wearing a plastic apron.

Weak stomachs are so unpredictable, you know . . .

Alex

Alex,

The Monks of Chevetogne are Benedictine. In my Metropolia there is a Byzantine Benedictine Monastery (Holy Trinity) in Butler, PA. I was under the impression that the monks of Mt. Tabor California were Benedictine as well, but am not sure.

Fr. Deacon Lance

We can truly find out the reasoning for chosing the name Benedict by e-mailing the Holy Father directly.

VATICAN CITY Apr 21, 2005 — Got a prayer or a problem for the new pope? Now you can e-mail him. Showing that Pope Benedict XVI intends to follow in the footsteps of John Paul II's multimedia ministry, the Vatican on Thursday modified its Web site so that users who click on an icon on the home page automatically activate an e-mail composer with his address.

In English: benedictxvi@vatican.va.
In Italian: benedettoxvi@vatican.va.

Brad

Thus posted Alex the Orthodox Catholic:
> St Benedict of Nursia is commemorated, on the
> Old Calendar, on March 27th.

As I remeber well since every year we sang on that day in Church "Many Years" to the Patriarch of Jerusalem, Benedict I (1957-1980) for his namesday.

> I understand there was even a Benedictine
> monastery, prior to the schism, on Mt
> Athos,"Amalfion?"

My recollection is that it existed after the schism, incredible as that may seem ... however, the monasteries of Athos were created by imperial decree and no one seems to have seen it fit to expel the monks (unlike today, where the EP is trying to confiscate a monastery and expel its monks).

> Are there Orthodox Benedictines today?

Not that I'm aware of. And, given that the order for making monks or nun is given in the Sacrementary (Evchologion or Trebnik), and the monastic garb is so intertwined with bishops' garb that it would be awkward to have a religious order, so they would really stand out if they existed.

A Benedictine priest of my acquaintance who serves in the Byzantine Rite has had, on a few occasions (in Melkite and Russian Churches, if I recall correctly) to wear Byzantine monastic headgear (kamilavka with veil; klobuk) when serving, although that is the same thing, historically, as his Benedictine cowl.

> Are there Eastern Catholic Benedictines?

There are a few communities listed at:
http://members.tripod.com/~Kranyak/byzantine.html

Photius