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Posted By: Herbigny Debteras ??? & other Ethiopian rites - 10/21/02 01:27 AM
May I ask our resident expert on the Ethiopian Church, Aklie, about the office of the Debtera?

I know almost nothing of the Debtera, except that perhaps they are a kind of a Church musician or Cantor or Psalmist and they use Sistrums?

Is this correct?
What do they do?
Are they ordained?
Do they dance?

What about the Drums?
And, while I'm at it, the Umbrellas?
Oh, yeah, and the T shaped canes?

Thanks for your help.

cix

herb.

ps: I realize that this is not exactly "Byzantine" worship, but I humbly beg the indulgence of Members & Administrator.
May I ask our resident expert on the Ethiopian Church, Aklie, about the office of the Debtera?

Aklie is no expert, resident or otherwise, on the Ethiopian Orthodox Church; he is just an Ethiopian Orthodox taking it a day at a time. I am an archaeologist and not a theologian and I find theological questions, Ethiopian or otherwise, as difficult as everyone else (meaning everyone with the exceptions of Joe Thur, StuartK, Dr. John and Alex).

I know almost nothing of the Debtera, except that perhaps they are a kind of a Church musician or Cantor or Psalmist and they use Sistrums?

Yes, the Debteras use sistrums (as the Copts did or still do. I don't know if they still do but they have sistrums in their museums).

Since the hymnographical role of the debteras is increasingly becoming the role of the modernized choirs then the choir (orzemari) also use the sistrums on some songs.

Are they ordained?

The Debtera is a scholar and not an ordained position. While they are not an "official' of the Church, no Church service would be proper (and sometimes even possible) without them.

Do they dance?

Yes on certain festivals and only an ecclesiastic dance; they are not free to do folk dances, cultural dances or the electric slide.

I should also mention that the Debteras also retained some traditional African stuff that they are not to popular for with the Priests such as traditional medicine and healing techniques. That is called African "witch-craft' by some die-hards but I don't know for sure.

What about the Drums?

The Ethiopian Liturgical tradition takes their inspirations from the place in Psalms were David says praise Him with the drums, praise him with the 10 stringed instrument, etc. As far as I know Ethiopia is the only Christian community that has retained all 10 strings on the harp (including from the Israelite tradition).

The Drum (kebero) in Ethiopian tradition (as with the rest of Africa) represents happiness so as such the drum is played during normal times in the Church. It is not played during funerals nor is it played during the entirety of the Lenten Fast (55 days more or less) because it is seen as the days leading up to the Crucifixion and is thus a time of mourning and spiritual contemplation. In fact our whole liturgical music (our "Gospel music' outside of the Divine Liturgy) takes a turn during this period. During the entirety of Lent we play and listen to a certain spiritual "music' called Tsome Degwa which has the huge harp but no drums whatsoever. On Psalm Sunday and Holy Week leading up to Easter we reintroduce the drum, celebrate and don't even have Divine Liturgy until Easter.

The actual beat of the Drum is characterized by a short and rapid staccato style hit to the long and drawn out ones. This represents the different short and rapid and long and drawn out lashes that Christ received when being tortured by the Romans. It can not diverge from this style and any cute and personal innovations are seen as hymnographic heresy smile

and the T shaped canes?
(Ok, I had to get a chuckle out of that one, he he he he, "T shaped canes.')

The "prayer-stick' that you mentioned is called a maqomiya "maqom' means to stop or to stand, so "maqomiya' literally means something that you stand with. The "t' shape that you observed on the top of the stick (besides being a Cross) is simply for you to rest your hands on, in order to rest your chin on your knuckles, in order for you to lean on your rested chin (so it is imperative that it be the right size). The debteras also dance with the prayer-stick. Usually, the maqomiya is for Debteras, Priests and Elders in the Church. For young and devout people like us; we are expected to be able to stand up for the entire service (and if you are really devout stand on one foot like a rooster). But on long nights like Christmas eve where we spend the whole night in Church (from sundown to sunup) singing hymns and Liturgy a Maqomiya comes in handy since you don't sleep and are expected to stand (for the most part everyone eventually sits down at times).

the Umbrellas?

Oh oh, that's a long one; and I have to drive 50 miles to go to class but for now:

It is totally out of Christian character for someone to consider the Church Umbrella for blockage of sunshine (even though people do so) or rain (it would not block rain anyway).

Certain Umbrella covers hover over the Procession Cross and the Gospel; certain colors are used by the laity (who chose to have an umbrella) certain colors could only be used by the Patriarch and the emperor and certain other colors are used to hover over the couple at a weeding. Alex, as far as Blue is concerned, Blue was supposed to be for the Emperor and the Patriarch.

O.K. gotta go!
Just in case anyone missed this discussion and had similar questions I am pasting a communication that Alex and I had on another thread:

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Originally posted by Orthodox Catholic:
[b]Could you explain more about the Cross tattoos? I've heard of them. Where are they placed and how - within the context of a liturgical service or blessing? Who may wear them? [/b]
Selam Alex!

Good questions. First let me inform you that getting tattoos is something that is restrictive to the country side; no one born in the city would have a tattoo.

The tattoos can come on the hand, the arm or the forehead. The women usually are the only ones who get crosses tattooed on their forehead. In fact, I would not be surprised if the ratio of men to women with tattoos was 1/8 with the females as the 8.

They are given with painful traditional tattooing techniques when you are a baby. Like Ethiopian circumcision, the process does not take place inside the Church but by a village specialist or even a family member. It is simply meant to identify one as a Christian (as opposed to a Muslim or Jew) and has no role at all in liturgical service.

There is a history behind tattoo prevalence. Of course it was always practiced one way or another (as witnessed by similar tattoo traditions in East Africa and the Sahara) and no doubt people were making them in the form of Crosses since the beginning of Christian times. During the reign of Atse (emperor) Zara Yaqob (1434-68) a controversy called the Stephanite heresy took place. The Stephenites refused to venerate the cross and refused to bow to icons of Mary. In fact, their view of Mary seems proto-Protestant.

Zara Yaqob was a devout Orthodox who was educated in a Monastery. He himself has written several spiritual books and built many Churches. But he was no joke on dealing with heretics. It is said that he had two of his own children executed for practicing paganism. When the Stephanite heresy took place, he invited them to the court to defend their views. After showing them the flaws in their theology he shut down their ministry (usually the Patriarch or the most talented Clergy were used to debate heretics but Zara Yaqob was talented enough to personally participate in the debate). He reminded Ethiopians that they are the fiefdom of Mary and that Stephanite views were unacceptable. He also reminded them of Christ's words to carry the Cross.

So, to make sure that the nation got the point he commanded everyone (and especially Stephanites) to get the Cross tattooed on their body. What ever small scale this practice was before the heresy it became massive in its aftermath. He also made them get words tattooed on their arm that read “I deny the devil, I am a slave of Mary.” (of course no one wears that particular tattoo anymore.

There is nothing funnier than watching an Ethiopian woman who converted to Pentecostalism running up and down screaming and tongue speaking in church with a big fat Orthodox Cross tattooed on her forehead.

Also, are even smaller Tabots used privately for worship in the home of laity?

Absolutely not; when the Tabot comes out on the Saints day in a special service to be marched in procession it is covered. The laity, including Deacons, are not allowed to even touch it. If they do, then a special service just to ritually cleanse the Tabot is made. Take it home? One of our local Churches is actually inside of the Assyrian Catholic Church. The Assyrians have said that we can use the Tabot in our services but can not leave it on the Altar afterwards. So the Priest takes it home with him. This is a well kept secret because it is actually a scandal. Needless to say, that the Brits having some of our Tabots that they looted sitting in boxes inside of the Museum storage is an insult of the first order.
Posted By: Herbigny Re: Debteras ??? & other Ethiopian rites - 10/21/02 05:56 PM
Aklie:

Your Church is "way COOL!!!!"

Thanks every so much!

cix

herb.
Dear Aklie,

I second Herbigny's motion!

As for blue umbrellas, of course I don't have blue liturgical umbrellas as that is definitely for emperors and patriarchs.

Mine is coloured purple . . .

Alex
Posted By: Herbigny Re: Debteras ??? & other Ethiopian rites - 10/22/02 06:10 AM
The Ethiopian Church has Sacred Dances?!! Wow!!! What are they like? When do you do them?

--the closest we come to that is our Katavasia or perhaps the Great Entrance (pales in comparison to your Dances).

What are the Sistrums used for?

Besides the Debteras, do you also have Cantors or Psalmists?

Is it your church that has little finger cymbals?

Finally, is Circumcision a Sacred Mystery?

Thanks so much.

cix

herb.
Dear Herbigny,

The Ethiopians do their liturgical dance at sacred Feasts such as Christmas etc. I've seen them do their very dignified dancing, reflecting, as it does, the dancing of David before the Ark.

They do the same through their sacred dance before their Arks or Tabots, with the priests holding their miquamiya prayer staffs on their shoulders.

(There was one movement where the priests danced backwards a few steps and then slightly hopped - quite remarkable!).

The Ethiopian Church is the only Church that has kept the order of Scribe from the Temple of Jerusalem and this is what Debteras truly are. I've seen one Debtera/Cantor with small finger bells, and they have the small bells on their censors and musical instruments.

I visited an Ethiopian Church here where Father showed me how use some of these instruments . . .

I understand that the Debteras do perform the function of Psalts and Cantors as well.

Circumcision is not a Mystery, but it is done along with Baptism, a kind of Old Testament accompaniment to the Mystery of Baptism in memory of the covenant of Abraham. So it does have religious significance.

Portuguese missionaries to Ethiopia were shocked when they saw this rite, but the Ethiopians maintained it nevertheless.

If you ever get a chance, by all means visit an Ethiopian Church - here we have both Ethiopian Catholic and (2) Orthodox Tewahedo Churches.

The best time to visit them is during the celebration of one of their feast days. Their Nativity falls on their own unique calendar day - January 7th . . .

Wait a minute, isn't that also . . .? wink

But they celebrate New Year's Day in September and have many, many other Jewish features as well.

Alex
Herbigny,

As our Honorary Oriental Orthodox Kievian Debtera pointed out circumcision definitely has religious significance but not in the form of a Divine Mystery. The Ethiopian Church embraces it as small "t' tradition or custom, the same as the Jerusalem Christians in the days of the Apostles. In fact even Apostles of the "Gospel of the uncircumcised' such as Paul are known to have circumcised people on occasion (Paul circumcised Timothy). Just as Paul said however the Sacrament of Baptism has replaced Circumcision so where Jewish newborns were circumcised when their mothers were cleansed and could enter the Temple (after 40 days) this is now the Sacrament of Baptism.

What is Katavasia? Does the "Great Entrance' imply a wedding? How do the Dances look?
But they celebrate New Year's Day in September and have many, many other Jewish features as well.

Yes, Ethiopian New Year falls on Sept. 11 so imagine.

Mine is coloured purple . . .

I don't believe it. I don't believe any man that has as much affection for kings as you do would have any other color than blue smile

Anyway purple (along with gold) is very symbolic; it represents the principle of Tewahedo.

Processional Crosses, umbrellas, and you even thought about putting a Tabot in your prayer room? So, I thought that you needed a new house because your wife was getting tired of the size of your personal library. Now I know that it is because of the abundance of your religious paraphernalia smile What was the reason you chose not to be a Priest again?
Dear Aklie,

Purple and gold are representative of Tewahedo?

Then it's Tewahedo all the way!!

As you know, purple is the highest royal colour in European monarchies, as it was the most expensive.

St Lydia, the first European convert of St Paul, was a "purple-seller" and was well off as a result, helping the Church with her resources.

You had to dive deep down into the sea to get the shells that gave the purple colour.

Although private Tabots are out of the question wink , we do have the Cross and Commandment doors at home.

The pioneers made these doors with six indented rectangular shapes.

The above is the Cross, the two rectangles below represent the Ark of the Covenant. Believe it or not . . .

Selam!

Alex
Posted By: Herbigny Re: Debteras ??? & other Ethiopian rites - 10/22/02 04:04 PM
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Originally posted by Aklie Semaet:
What is Katavasia? Does the "Great Entrance' imply a wedding? How do the Dances look?
I'm sorry to have to disappoint you, but these aren't even dances, they are only Processions (it's the closest thing we've got).

The Katavasia is where the 2 Choirs [north and south] come together in the middle of the Sanctuary (aka "Nave" in the Latin Church) to sing certain parts of the service in combined voice, e.g. during the Kanon at Matins.

The Great Entrance is the Procession where the clergy carry the Blessed Gifts into the Altar.

Even there, I think you Ethiopians have us beat. You guys I think have that big fancy woven basket thing with tassels and a banya [onion dome thing]. (I've seen photos) What's that all about?

herb.
several shades of green with envy

ps: what's a Tabot? Is that a kind of Kivot/Kovcheg? What does it look like? What's in it?

pps. what's is a "Tewahedo"???
Dear Herbigny,

We Oriental Orthodox will do our best to answer your questions wink .

"Tewahedo" refers to the faith of the Ethiopian Church referring to the union of the two Natures in the One Christ. "Ethiopian Orthodox Tewahedo Church."

Some European theologians sometimes interpreted it to mean "Monophysite" but that was incorrect . . .

The "Tabot" is a carved Ark of the Covenant - you are right. It contains a copy of the Ten Commandments bearing the "Shekinah" or Presence of the Lord.

Ethiopian hand Crosses often have a square at the end of the handle that represents the Ark - both the Cross, the "Al-Maskal" and the Tabot bear the Shekinah of the Lord.

The Ethiopians have one in each of their Churches, it is named for a saint e.g. St Michael and it is the focal point for the Church's worship. It is carried in procession etc. And you can't keep one at home, as I understand . . .

As for the other item you mentioned, I haven't the faintest idea.

I would like to also ask Aklie about it AND if one can have one at home . . .

Alex
And here I thought "Debtera" was the cleric's wife who went wild with the credit card each month. biggrin

John
Dear Bisantino,

Perhaps you may want to suggest this to Dan Lauffer for his upcoming interview . . . wink

Seriously though, it comes from the idea of having "first debs" on liturgical music sheets.

Alex
Cross and Commandment doors? Man, you surround yourself totally in Christian symbolism; if you weren't married I would have consider you to be a bahatawi you know one of the hermits.

Purple and gold are representative of Tewahedo?

Well, as you know the parents of the Holy Virgin promised that if God gave them a child they would give that child to the House of God; so they did (and Mary's entrance into the House of God [Baata] is celebrated by our Church) and St. Mary grew up in the temple according to the custom dedicated for the virgins of Israel. While she was living in the Temple she would spin purple and gold together. Just as on a royal cloak, the Gold (Divine) and the Silk (human) compliment and enhance each other, just as the two Natures of Christ they are different but United, and united without separation or confusion. The fiber of the silk does not prevent the gold from shining and the shining of the gold does not glare out the beauty of the purple; that is their oneness and the oneness doesn't imply anything else. In this way the Incarnation of our Lord was expressed by the activity of our Lady before He was born.
You guys I think have that big fancy woven basket thing with tassels and a banya [onion dome thing].

he, he, he, he, he;

That, my dear, is a traditional kitchen table, and yes you can have one in your house. Nowadays its pulled out to eat on during holidays. You lay one flat piece on injera (traditional staple, made from teff wheat; looks like a cross between a huge pancake and a tortilla [and tastes like neither]) on top of it and then put the food on the injera.

The smaller version is used to hold bread. The only way the latter ever gains any hint of religious significance is during our gatherings at someone's house for a Saints holiday and the bread for that purpose is served in it.

On the Tabot, all I can say is that as a humble layman who knows his place I have never been sneaking around in the Holy of Holies so I can't really say what one looks like uncovered. wink

Alex,

Again on Tabots, yes every Church has to have one to be a Church but some Churches have more than one. God's Name is on one side and the Name of the Saint that the Church is dedicated to is carved on the other side.
Posted By: Herbigny Re: Debteras ??? & other Ethiopian rites - 10/22/02 05:29 PM
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You guys I think have that big fancy woven basket thing with tassels and a banya [onion dome thing].

he, he, he, he, he; That, my dear, is a traditional kitchen table.
dear Aklie & Alex [names kind of sound alike...both know a lot about the Tewahedo...coincidence? or THE SAME GUY!!!??]

maybe I'm confused [yet again], but I'm sure I saw, in a book on Eucharistic Liturgies of Eastern Churches, a photo of Ethiopian clergy dressed in vestments putting on a large-ish ornate basket - kind of circular and various levels, on their head [presumably for a procession, maybe an offertory procession]. Does any of this ring a bell or have aliens come to visit [again]?

herb.
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Originally posted by Herbigny:
[QUOTE]I'm sure I saw, in a book on Eucharistic Liturgies of Eastern Churches, a photo of Ethiopian clergy dressed in vestments putting on a large-ish ornate basket - kind of circular and various levels, on their head [presumably for a procession, maybe an offertory procession]. Does any of this ring a bell or have aliens come to visit [again]?
Ok, Ok, THAT thing! I get it now, Sorry. The very small one right? I mean you can hold it in one hand if you needed to right? That is the Flesh of the Lord being carried to be served to the Laity. It is transported on the Head (as is the Tabot on the occasions it comes out) at the end of the Divine Liturgy.

Me and Alex the same guy? So what are you saying, all Orientals look alike? biggrin I wouldn't mind being Alex though, so long as I didn't have to be a politician. But the names are different: Alexander is the conquering tyrant and Akliele-Semaet means "crown of a martyr,' I leave it as Aklie to be easier on you all.
Isn't it marvelous that Oriental and Byzantine Catholics can share their Traditions while others of the dame traditions cannot. It truely makes the universality of our Church illumiated.

Dmitri
Dear Aklieli,

Alexander the Great may have been a conquering . . . hero, but the name "Alexander" means "helper of humanity."

What a fascinating story about the purple and gold! I have a liturgical umbrella in that - also an Ethiopian priest's mitre - don't ask me how I got it.

Do all priests wear such? Only certain priests?

Is there a skull-cap worn by Ethiopian Christians to Church?

Alex
Alex,

I will make sure to tell Fr. Mesele that if he ever runs out of Church supplies to stop at your house to fill up.

The ones who receive skull caps are Monks after they have undergone their final rites to become a monk.

The dress of the Priest can be very diverse and it depends on what the particular service they are conducting (e.g. are they just teaching a class or are they conducting the Divine Liturgy). In a nutshell, the Priests wear white clothes and either a white (and sometimes not white) cap kufiya or a white turban. They wear a Black shawl or a cloak over this. During the Divine Liturgy they wear a long robe.

Bishops and above dress essentially the way Coptic Bishops dress.
Posted By: Diak Re: Debteras ??? & other Ethiopian rites - 10/23/02 12:20 AM
Aklie, are the liturgical colors not prescribed? I was at a Keddase recently and the priest indicated that like the Copts their primary liturgical color for vestments was white.

Also we are going to make injeera in a week or so (when I get the teff). Please pray all goes well.

One last question...in the Byzantine tradition when greeting the priest we say "Glory to Jesus Christ" or some other greeting depending on the season and hold out our hands crosswise right over left for a blessing. Do the Ethiopians kiss the cross the priest holds? What is the protocol for greeting the priest? Thanks for your time in responding to "inquiring minds" smile
Dear Diak,

My Ethiopian Orthodox pastor taught me to greet Ethiopian priests by first kissing the hand Cross he carries, pressing it to one's forehead, then kissing the priest's hand and then pressing it to one's forehead.

Alex
Diak,

You address a Priest simply as father. Yes you kiss the Cross that the Priest wholds but you especially want to receive the Blessing of the Processional Cross; you can kiss that one some times during the Liturgy but always after service is over (there is usually a long line of people waiting to kiss it).

As far as the colors yes white is worn during the Liturgy (Qedasse) and when a Bishop or the Patriarch is leading the Liturgy then they replace their usual black Coptic wardrobe and turban with a snow-white one. The Patriarch (the one in Ethiopia) himself has been wearing white clothes in non-officiating capacities lately. This has drawn him criticism from some of the laity.

p.s. good luck with the injera. I have yet to see the teff actually rise in the fermentation process when attempted in America. It always has to be mixed with something else (like wheat) for it to work. We could not figure it out for the longest; even when attempted in places of similar elevation and climate it just doesn't rise on its own like it does in Ethiopia. I wish you the best…
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