The Byzantine Forum
Newest Members
The Cub, P H, Hardrada, DMP, Kyrie Eleison
5601 Registered Users
Who's Online Now
2 registered members (Kyrie Eleison, theophan), 68 guests, and 73 spiders.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
Latest Photos
Church of the Holy Trinity (UGCC) - Brazil
Papal Audience 10 November 2017
Upgraded Russian icon corner
Russian Greek Catholic Global Congress
OL EuroEast II (2007) Group
Forum Statistics
Forums26
Topics34,728
Posts411,850
Members5,601
Most Online2,716
Jun 7th, 2012
Previous Thread
Next Thread
Print Thread
Quiz: Who said this? #194277
04/10/06 04:52 PM
04/10/06 04:52 PM
Joined: Sep 2003
Posts: 1,790
ohio
iconophile Offline OP
Member
iconophile  Offline OP
Member

Joined: Sep 2003
Posts: 1,790
ohio
Naturally, the common people don't want war, but after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine the policy, and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. This is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in every country.

Who said it?

Re: Quiz: Who said this? #194278
04/10/06 05:28 PM
04/10/06 05:28 PM
Joined: Oct 2004
Posts: 1,520
.
Ray S. Offline
Member
Ray S.  Offline
Member

Joined: Oct 2004
Posts: 1,520
.
Some one modifing the original Prince Machiavelli in the "The Prince"

Re: Quiz: Who said this? #194279
04/10/06 05:57 PM
04/10/06 05:57 PM
Joined: Sep 2002
Posts: 474
usa
sam Offline
Member
sam  Offline
Member

Joined: Sep 2002
Posts: 474
usa
George Bush?

Naaaah, my mistake. That was "We're gonna smoke 'em out of their holes"

Sam

Re: Quiz: Who said this? #194280
04/10/06 06:03 PM
04/10/06 06:03 PM
Joined: Jul 2002
Posts: 58
northeast USA
anamchristi Offline
Member
anamchristi  Offline
Member

Joined: Jul 2002
Posts: 58
northeast USA
Adolf Hitler?

Re: Quiz: Who said this? #194281
04/10/06 06:12 PM
04/10/06 06:12 PM
Joined: Feb 2005
Posts: 298
Florida
Wolfgang Offline
Member
Wolfgang  Offline
Member

Joined: Feb 2005
Posts: 298
Florida
Whoever said it, contradicts this:
b]By your fruit, They shall know you![/b]

Re: Quiz: Who said this? #194282
04/10/06 07:32 PM
04/10/06 07:32 PM
Joined: Nov 2001
Posts: 1,680
Scottsdale, AZ
Deacon John Montalvo Offline
Moderator
Deacon John Montalvo  Offline
Moderator
Member

Joined: Nov 2001
Posts: 1,680
Scottsdale, AZ
Quote
Originally posted by anamchristi:
Adolf Hitler?
Close, it was actually Hermann Goering to Gustave Gilbert, a German speaking intelligence officer working for the Allies, during a private conversation at the Nuremberg trials.

Gustave Gilbert recorded their convesations in his journal, which he later published as Nuremberg Diary.

The conversation reportedly occurred like this:

We got around to the subject of war again and I said that, contrary to his attitude, I did not think that the common people are very thankful for leaders who bring them war and destruction.

"Why, of course, the people don't want war," Goering shrugged. "Why would some poor slob on a farm want to risk his life in a war when the best that he can get out of it is to come back to his farm in one piece. Naturally, the common people don't want war; neither in Russia nor in England nor in America, nor for that matter in Germany. That is understood. But, after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy or a fascist dictatorship or a Parliament or a Communist dictatorship."

"There is one difference," I pointed out. "In a democracy the people have some say in the matter through their elected representatives, and in the United States only Congress can declare wars."

"Oh, that is all well and good, but, voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same way in any country."

Re: Quiz: Who said this? #194283
04/10/06 08:09 PM
04/10/06 08:09 PM
Joined: Sep 2003
Posts: 1,790
ohio
iconophile Offline OP
Member
iconophile  Offline OP
Member

Joined: Sep 2003
Posts: 1,790
ohio
Very good, Father Deacon!
And all the guesses were good ones; surely it is a familiar if cynical phenomenon.

-Daniel

Re: Quiz: Who said this? #194284
04/10/06 08:44 PM
04/10/06 08:44 PM
Joined: Nov 2001
Posts: 1,680
Scottsdale, AZ
Deacon John Montalvo Offline
Moderator
Deacon John Montalvo  Offline
Moderator
Member

Joined: Nov 2001
Posts: 1,680
Scottsdale, AZ
Hitler reportedly said something quite similar:

How fortunate for leaders that men do not think.

Re: Quiz: Who said this? #194285
04/10/06 08:52 PM
04/10/06 08:52 PM
Joined: Mar 2006
Posts: 147
El Cerrito, CA
G
GMmcnabb Offline
Member
GMmcnabb  Offline
Member
G

Joined: Mar 2006
Posts: 147
El Cerrito, CA
"There is one difference," I pointed out. "In a democracy the people have some say in the matter through their elected representatives, and in the United States only Congress can declare wars."

Ironically congress hasn't declared a war since WWII. Guess that proves him wrong?

Re: Quiz: Who said this? #194286
04/11/06 02:04 PM
04/11/06 02:04 PM
Joined: Jul 2005
Posts: 77
Chicago, IL
PaulNik Offline
Member
PaulNik  Offline
Member

Joined: Jul 2005
Posts: 77
Chicago, IL
A government is only as good as the people running it.


The Byzantine Forum provides message boards for discussions focusing on Eastern Christianity (though discussions of other topics are welcome). The views expressed herein are those of the participants and may or may not reflect the teachings of the Byzantine Catholic or any other Church. The Byzantine Forum and the www.byzcath.org site exist to help build up the Church but are unofficial, have no connection with any Church entity, and should not be looked to as a source for official information for any Church. All posts become property of byzcath.org. Contents copyright - 1996-2019 (Forum 1998-2019). All rights reserved.
Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 7.7.1
(Release build 20190129)
PHP: 7.1.32 Page Time: 0.022s Queries: 13 (0.005s) Memory: 2.5740 MB (Peak: 2.6496 MB) Data Comp: Zlib Server Time: 2019-09-23 17:51:42 UTC