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Pope Francis universally authorizes married Eastern priests #409363
11/14/14 01:59 PM
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Check today's blog from Sandro Magister 'Chiesa': it's official and in writing!

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Link please Father - I'm having problems finding it

Edited - FOUND IT

The Blog - in Italian

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La novità è ufficiale. La congregazione per le Chiese orientali ha reso pubbliche le disposizioni approvate da papa Francesco che di fatto liberalizzano l’ordinazione e l’attività pastorale di preti sposati delle Chiese cattoliche orientali anche al di fuori dei loro territori tradizionali. E cioè non più solo in Medio Oriente e nell’Europa dell’est, ma dappertutto......


which according to Google translates roughly as

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The news is official. The Congregation for the Oriental Churches has made public the arrangements approved by Pope Francis de facto liberalize ordination and pastoral activity of married priests of the Eastern Catholic Churches outside of their traditional territories. And that is not just in the Middle East and Eastern Europe, but all over the world........


BUT there seems to be a sting in the tail frown

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La terza modalità riguarda infine i territori – è il caso dell’Italia – “dove i fedeli orientali sono privi di una struttura amministrativa specifica e sono affidati alle cure dei vescovi latini del luogo”. In questo caso la disciplina non cambia e quindi la facoltà di ammettere clero uxorato “continuerà ad essere riservata alla congregazione per le Chiese orientali, che la eserciterà in casi concreti ed eccezionali dopo aver sentito il parere delle rispettive conferenze episcopali”.
which according to Google means
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The third mode regards, finally, the territories - is the case of Italy - "where the Eastern faithful are without a specific administrative structure and are under the care of the Latin Bishops of the place." In this case, the rules do not change and therefore the right to allow married clergy "will continue to be reserved to the Congregation for Eastern Churches, that the exercise to real cases and exceptional after hearing the opinion of the respective episcopal conferences."


hmmmmmm

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Re: Pope Francis universally authorizes married Eastern priests [Re: Economos Roman V. Russo] #409365
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Re: Pope Francis universally authorizes married Eastern priests [Re: Economos Roman V. Russo] #409368
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Originally Posted by Ot'ets Nastoiatel'
Check today's blog from Sandro Magister 'Chiesa': it's official and in writing!


If it's official, then why is there nothing posted on the Vatican website nor on the Vatican News website?

The webpage for the Congregation for the Oriental Churches has nothing-- in fact, the latest posted news is from last year! shocked

They really need to get their act together...

I am happy to hear the news, but it would be nice to see it posted on the Vatican website somewhere and not through Sandro Magister. Then, again, I can see why it wouldn't be posted on the Vatican website.

Looks like the decision was made in June. Wonder why they waited until now?

I'm sure media outlets like National Catholic Reporter will run with this story and ask if this is not a foreshadowing of things to come in the Latin Church.


Re: Pope Francis universally authorizes married Eastern priests [Re: griego catolico] #409374
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Originally Posted by griego catolico
Originally Posted by Ot'ets Nastoiatel'
Check today's blog from Sandro Magister 'Chiesa': it's official and in writing!


If it's official, then why is there nothing posted on the Vatican website nor on the Vatican News website?

The webpage for the Congregation for the Oriental Churches has nothing-- in fact, the latest posted news is from last year! shocked

They really need to get their act together...

I am happy to hear the news, but it would be nice to see it posted on the Vatican website somewhere and not through Sandro Magister. Then, again, I can see why it wouldn't be posted on the Vatican website.



Remember.... in the Catholic Church, we update our technology every 80 years - whether we need to or not!


Re: Pope Francis universally authorizes married Eastern priests [Re: Economos Roman V. Russo] #409376
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This is welcome news, but I don't understand why this is coming to light now when the Pope issued this decision in June. Hopefully, they weren't trying to keep this on the down low as not to offend RC sensibilities.

Re: Pope Francis universally authorizes married Eastern priests [Re: Economos Roman V. Russo] #409381
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A ByzCath exclusive translation will be coming out shortly.

Too bad that you all broke the news before we did though!

Re: Pope Francis universally authorizes married Eastern priests [Re: Economos Roman V. Russo] #409382
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The official Italian text was published in the Acta Apostolicæ Sedis, vol. CVI, no. 6, June 6, 2014, pp. 496-499. PDF version here.

Re: Pope Francis universally authorizes married Eastern priests [Re: Economos Roman V. Russo] #409388
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I received a scan of the Italian text on Thursday night, through the kindness of my dear friend and fellow forumite, Charles Bransom. Another good friend, Ryan/Messdiener, was kind enough to work with me on it until the early hours of Friday morning; he doing the vast bulk of the translation by far. I can only claim to have polished it a bit here and there to deal with idiomatic usages.

So, as Ryan promised above, here it is ...

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ACTS OF THE CONGREGATION

CONGREGATION FOR THE EASTERN CHURCHES

Pontifical Ruling Regarding Married Eastern Clergy

A) Introductory Note

Canon 758 §3 [of the] CCEO (Oriental Code of Canon Law) states that: "Regarding the admission to holy orders of married [men], the particular law of [each] Church sui iuris or special norms established by the Apostolic See are to be observed."

That allows that each Church sui iuris can decide on the admission of married [men] to holy orders.

At present, all Eastern Catholic Churches may allow married men to the diaconate and the priesthood, except the Syro-Malabarese and Syro-Malankara Churches.

Thus, the Canon provides that the Apostolic See can enact special rules in this regard.

The Holy Father Benedict XVI, in his post-synodal Apostolic Exhortation Ecclesia in Medio Oriente (Churches in the Middle East) of 14 September 2012, after having stated that "priestly celibacy is an inestimable gift of God to His Church, which must be accepted with gratitude, both in the East and in the West because it is a prophetic, timeless sign,” reminded that “the ministry of married priests is a component of the ancient Eastern traditions,” and encouraged them because “with their families, [they] are called to holiness in the faithful exercise of their ministry and in their living conditions in difficult times."

The issue of the ministry of married priests outside the traditional eastern territories dates back to the final decades of the nineteenth century, especially since 1880, when thousands of Ruthenian Catholics emigrated from Sub-Carpathia, as well as western Ukraine, to the United States of America. The presence of their married clergy aroused protests by the Latin Bishops that their presence would cause gravissium scandalum [grave scandal] to the Latin faithful. Thus, the Congregation for the Propagation of the Faith, by decree of October 1, 1890, forbade married Ruthenian clergy to reside in the US.

In 1913, the Holy See decreed that only celibates could be ordained as priests in Canada.

In the years 1929-1930, the then-Congregation for the Eastern Church (CCO) issued three decrees, which prohibited the exercise of ministry by married Eastern priests in certain regions:

1) the Decree Cum Data Fuerit of March 1, 1929, by which [the Congregation] forbade the exercise of ministry by married Ruthenian clergy who emigrated to North America.

2) the Decree Qua Sollerti of 23 December 1929, by which [the Congregation] extended its prohibition of ministry to all married Eastern clergy who emigrated to North or South America, to Canada, or to Australia.

3) the Decree Graeci-Rutheni of 24 May 1930, by which [the Congregation] stated that only celibate men could be admitted to the seminary and promoted to holy orders.

Deprived of ministers of their own rite, a number, estimated at about 200,000, of the Ruthenian faithful passed into Orthodoxy.

The referenced legislation was extended to other territories not considered 'eastern regions'; exceptions were granted only after hearing from the local Episcopal Conference and receiving permission from the Holy See.

Since the problem persisted, the Congregation for the Eastern Churches involved the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith. On 20 February 2008, having reviewed the entire matter in Ordinary Session, [the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith] rendered the following decision: "Considering the existing rule - which binds Eastern priests in pastoral service to the faithful in the diaspora to obligatory celibacy, similarly to Latin priests - in specific and exceptional cases, the possibility of a dispensation exists, [which is] reserved to the Holy See.” The above was approved by the Holy Father Benedict XVI.

It should be noted that, even in the West, in recent times, with the [issuance of the] motu proprio Anglicanorum Coetibus, although not written for the Eastern clergy, a discipline was adopted, [which] considered specific situations of [married] priests and their families coming into Catholic communion.

B) Provisions approved by the Holy Father

The Plenary Session of the Congregation for the Eastern Churches, held 19 to 22 November 2013 at the Apostolic Palace, discussed the issue extensively and subsequently presented to the Holy Father a request to concede to their Ecclesiastical Authority the faculty to allow pastoral service by married Eastern clergy outside of the traditional eastern territories.

The Holy Father, in the audience granted to the Prefect of the Congregation for Eastern Churches, Cardinal Leonardo Sandri, December 23, 2013, approved that request

contrariis quibuslibet minimum ostantibus, (all considerations to the contrary notwithstanding)

according to the following guidelines:

- in the Eastern Administrative Constituencies (Metropolia, Eparchies, Exarchates) constituted outside of the traditional territories, these faculties are conferred on the Eastern Hierarchs, to exercise according to the traditions of their respective Churches. Also, the Ordinary, possessing faculties to ordain married Eastern candidates from a respective region, [has] an obligation to give prior notice, in writing, to the Latin Bishop of the candidate's place of residence, so as to obtain his opinion and any relevant information [regarding the candidate].

- in Ordinariates for the Eastern faithful who are deprived of their own Hierarchs, the faculty [to ordain married men to the priesthood] is conferred on the Ordinary, and he shall inform the respective Episcopal Conference and this Dicastry of the specific cases in which he exercises [the faculty].

- in territories in which the Eastern faithful are deprived of a specific administrative structure and are entrusted to the care of the Latin Bishops of the place, the faculty [to ordain married men to the priesthood] will continue to be reserved to the Congregation for the Eastern Churches, which will pursue specific and exceptional cases after hearing the opinion of the respective Episcopal Conference.

Given at the Seat of the Congregation for the Eastern Churches, 14 June 2014

Leonardo Cardinal Sandri
Prefect


As Charles said in his original message to me: "(An) important thing to note is that for the first time, to my knowledge, the Holy See acknowledges that because of the prior legislation forbidding the ordination of married men in the U.S., 200,000 Eaatern Catholics passed over to Orthodoxy."

Originally Posted by Anthony
I don't understand why this is coming to light now when the Pope issued this decision in June


To Anthony's question as to the delay, many Congregational Acts, other than those of interest/import to audiences larger than we, the redheaded stepchildren, don't see the light of day until publication of the respective edition of the Acta. Additionally, the Pope did not issue this, he assented to the Act of the Congregation.

Originally Posted by grieco catholic
If it's official, then why is there nothing posted on the Vatican website nor on the Vatican News website?


To grieco's point, the same comments apply. Only the Acts of the major Congregations make the Vatican website and the websites of the individual Congregations are woefully untended, as Father Jon's observation suggests. (I'd add to Father Jon's comment that, just because we have technology does not mean that we have to use it biggrin )

As to the piece that Anhelyna quotes

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La terza modalità riguarda infine i territori – è il caso dell’Italia


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The third mode regards, finally, the territories - is the case of Italy


that is Magister's interpretation. Italy has eparchies and an exarchate (exarchial abbey), therefore it has administrative structures - note the following text:

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in the Eastern Administrative Constituencies (Metropolia, Eparchies, Exarchates) constituted outside of the traditional territories, these faculties are conferred on the Eastern Hierarchs, to exercise according to the traditions of their respective Churches.


Magister needs to get out more.

The relevant text, to which Magister refers, reads:

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- in territories in which the Eastern faithful are deprived of a specific administrative structure and are entrusted to the care of the Latin Bishops of the place,


would refer to any place in which there are no Eastern canonical jurisdictions (ex: Philippines) or those in which faithful of a specific Church sui iuris are sine episcopi - without hierarchs of their own Church (ex: Belarusian Greek-Catholics everywhere in the world and Russian Greek-Catholics anywhere in the world, other than those resident in Russia and subject to the Ordinariate).

Finally, before anyone gets in a tizzy about the text

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Also, the Ordinary, possessing faculties to ordain married Eastern candidates from a respective region, [has] an obligation to give prior notice, in writing, to the Latin Bishop of the candidate's place of residence, so as to obtain his opinion and any relevant information [regarding the candidate].


Charles and I are in agreement that this is, in no way, a limitation on the Eastern hierarch. Rather, it is intended to be a means of 'vetting', providing the Eastern hierarch with the benefit of any information that may be known to the Latin ordinary of the candidate's place of residence - a useful consideration.

My thanks again to both Charles and Ryan/Messdiener.

Many years,

Neil (who apologizes for his prolonged absence and promises that he's back :D)


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Re: Pope Francis universally authorizes married Eastern priests [Re: Economos Roman V. Russo] #409397
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Wonderful news, thank-you Neil!

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There is a phrase that causes me concern..."
"these faculties are conferred on the Eastern Hierarchs, to exercise according to the traditions of their respective Churches."

Did the Eastern Catholic church not already have that right?

Was it necessary to "confer" it? ....it sounds as though the Church of the East did not have any rights?

Does this mean that these "faculties which are conferred" by Rome can be revoked by Rome?

The news sounds good ....but????


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By and large, positive, but . . . the devil's in the details!

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Sadly these announcements are necessary, many of the Eastern Catholic leadership will only exercise their ancient and holy traditions if they think it's okay with Rome. Hopefully this is what they've been waiting for and will enbolden them to ordain married priests with less subterfuge (wives will hopefully now be included in their biographies and identified in the pictues of the ordinations). Nothing to hide or apologize for!

I do appreciate the honest historical background included and the subtlty of the "announcement." There should be no need to make a big deal about any of this, as it is more a formalizing of what should already be reality.

The idea that these rights are "conferred" or "conceded" is potentially troubling. These rights exist regardless of any concession or conferral by anyone.

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At present, all Eastern Catholic Churches may allow married men to the diaconate and the priesthood, except the Syro-Malabarese and Syro-Malankara Churches.


Could someone elaborate more on why the Syro-Malabarese and Syro-Malankara Churches are not allowed to ordain married men?

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The Pope needs to go one step farther and "authorize" married priest in his entire Church!

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