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Dear All,
I have just read that the name of the "in pectore" cardinal was not contained in the Pope's will. Did only the pope know his name? If so, how will we ever know who the person was?
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Christ is Risen!
Should we wait until someone says "It is me"?!
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Dear Filipe:
If Pope John Paul (the Great) did indeed create a cardinal "in pectore" during the 2003 consistory, there are only 2 ways, I think, that his name be made known:
First, His Holiness should have revealed it during his lifetime in any manner before or during the next consistory, unless the life of that Cardinal is put in danger by such revelation.
Second, after his death, as in this case, his last will and testament should have identified the Cardinal "in pectore." Or, any document considered legal and binding under canon law revealing the name of the Cardinal "in pectore" duly signed by the Pope, like instructions he left for the Dean or for the College of Cardinals.
Otherwise, the identity of that Cardinal "in pectore," if there was one created, is gone unknown forever and buried with the Pope creating him.
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I do not believe his "will" has been read yet.
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The Pope may - and sometimes does - create a Cardinal "in pectore" for this or that reason (John XXIII, for instance, created Joseph Slipyj a Cardinal in pectore, because the future Patriarch was still imprisoned and it would have endangered him to make the appointment known at the time). If the Pope who did this later announces the appointment, it takes effect from the date of the original appointment. If, however, the Pope dies before announcing it, the appointment lapses completely.
Incidentally, so far as is presently known John Paul II did not leave a will.
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Actually, Dr. Joaquin Navarro-Valls announced today that the Cardinals had read the will of John Paul II, and that it will be published tomorrow, 4-7-05.
The date for the Conclave is set for April 18, 2005.
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Originally posted by Deacon El:
Christ is Risen!
Should we wait until someone says "It is me"?!
Deacon El Well, I know it isn't me! 
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Barring the discovery of another document revealing the identity of the Cardinal "in pectore," the number of eligible Cardinal electors stands pat at 117, minus the Archbishop Emeritus of Manila, Jaime Cardinal Sin, 76, who is too ill to travel to Rome as relayed by the Philippine Embassy to the Holy See.
Cardinal Sin, together with Cardinal Ratzinger and Cardinal Baum, are the only Cardinals out of the 117 not created by Pope John Paul II.
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Secret Cardinal Will Stay That Way, for Now
VATICAN CITY, APRIL 6, 2005 (Zenit.org).- John Paul II did not leave in writing the name of the cardinal he secretly appointed in 2003, meaning he won't be able to participate in the conclave.
"I can confirm that the Holy Father, before his death, did not communicate the name of the cardinal he had reserved 'in pectore,' when it was announced in the consistory of October 2003," Vatican press office director Joaqu�n Navarro Valls said today.
Thus, the question of the unknown cardinal's participation in the conclave "is no longer posed," the spokesman said. The conclave to elect a new pope begins on April 18.
Some press sources believe that this cardinal might be a Chinese bishop. If the Pope had revealed his name, they speculate, it might have sparked a negative reaction by the Beijing government.
Decades must pass before knowing who the cardinal is, which will be revealed when the archives of this pontificate are opened.
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"We love, because he first loved us"--1 John 4:19
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Originally posted by incognitus:
The Pope may - and sometimes does - create a Cardinal "in pectore" for this or that reason (John XXIII, for instance, created Joseph Slipyj a Cardinal in pectore, because the future Patriarch was still imprisoned and it would have endangered him to make the appointment known at the time).
Incognitus Dear Incognitus, I'm not sure what type of confinement he was under in 1960, the year that he was appointed a Cardinal 'in pectore' (psychiatric institution, prison, etc...). What is clear is that he was somewhere in Siberia, thousands of miles from his Metropolia in Lviv, Western Ukraine. Question: Why would the Holy Father name him a Cardinal in pectore if he was nowhere near his 'flock' and probably never would be (the Soviets wanted all 'Bandura players' out of the picture and killed the most famous one the year before) ? I.F. PS: In his speach to the combined houses of Congress, President Yuschenko of Ukraine made indirect reference to the events leading to the release Patriarch Slipyj in 1963.
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