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Friends,

I missed the earlier discussion on Cardinal Arinze but he looks better and better more I read about him. I wonder if he will be our next pope. Here's a good article. Any Cardinal that can stand up to a bunch of liberal women has my vote.

http://www.wf-f.org/Arinze-Georgetown.html

Dan Lauffer

There are several wonderful discussions with him on the EWTN website.

Good Job, Cardinal !

I wonder what percentage of the staff who diliked the Cardinal's sppech would call themselves Catholic, in union with Rome?

I would bet most of them are calling themselves Catholic, but underneath their sheep clothing, they are promoting their own devilish agendas.

I'm now listening to Francis Aroyo's interview of Cardinal Arinze. I'm impressed.

http://www.ewtn.com/vondemand/audio/SeriesSearchprog.asp?SeriesID=-6892288&NewList=&T1=world~over

It's the second selection.

Dan Lauffer

To everything, turn, turn, turn,
There is a season, turn, turn, turn...

Yours,

hal

I remember when there was that uproar about Cardinal Arinze's comments against homosexuality, abortion, etc. (upholding what the scriptures tell us and what the Church teaches), Raymond Arroyo on EWTN reported that there are some who say that Cardinal Arinze may be the prime candidate for being our next Pope. However, I have heard many times: "A man going in as the Pope comes out a bishop" or something like that. You get the idea. It could easily be a Cardinal we've never heard of. When the newest Cardinals received their rings, it was said that the next Pope may very well be one of them! So, who knows.

If we were able to vote for our next Pope, I'd vote for Cardinal Arinze. He seems to be very conservative and very dedicated to upholding the true Church Teachings as given to us by Christ. Then again, no mere man is perfect ...

Dear Renzut:

I respectfully disagree. While the Cardinal is certainly one that would uphold the moral teachings of the Church, one must remember that the Pope is also a goodwill ambassador for all of Chrisendom .

What the Cardinal did at Georgetown, I humbly submit, was not very diplomatic.

Yours,

hal

Hal,

With all due respect, I cannot see how you would take such a position. The fact is that Cardinal +Arinze did nothing but inform students at a Catholic college what the Church teaches about these abominations and attacks on the human family.

Frankly, I think that the slanderous and immature comments from the student body and faculty of Georgetown was quite un-diplomatic. Childish effrontery.

What, invite a humanitarian Christian leader to speak at your university, and then bash him for upholding the teachings of the Church from which your institution makes its livelihood? What a riot!

Logos Teen

Dear Teen:

In answer to the last question in your post - yes, Georgetown had a right to expect that the Cardinal would have enough horse-sense to keep his comments away from anything that would make his audience uncomfortable.

Which, of course, makes one wonder. Why did he choose those precise topic to speak on. If he wanted to lay out a teaching of his Church that would stay with them, why not speak of, for example, Christ's message and deeds of love?

Good diplomacy entails knowing when and how to make your message heard in the most effective and non-insulting manner. What the Cardinal did was take a pot-shot at those who did not agree with him on certain moral issues where one was completely uncalled for.

In short, there is a time and place for "in your face." A graduation is not one of them.

Yours,

hal


P.S. In my line of work, "with all due respect" translates into "you're and idiot."

Aw. Poor people. I feel so bad for them that they felt uncomfortable when presented with the TRUTH.



How can people live out Christ's love if they don't know basic morality? What does Christ's love mean if not, first and foremost, that He loves us enough to teach us how to live when we are erring? How can people receive Christ's love if they are living in a way that is incompatible with human nature?



You mean, of course, those who had embraced attractive and insidious heresy on certain moral issues.


LatinTrad

I very much disagree. The Gospel is indeed very uncomfortable for those who choose to reject it. Nevertheless it is true. I applaud Cardinal Arinze for his courage in proclaiming the Gospel. I am saddened that his teaching was found to be uncomfortable by some of those in attendance. One would think that a cardinal speaking at a Catholic institution could present Catholic teaching on any topic without it becoming a controversy. Given that the graduating class will soon be both parents and civic leaders I think that his words were entirely appropriate. One does not hide Christ�s teachings because they are undiplomatic.

The fact of the matter is that there is a time and a place for everything.

Graduation was niether the time nor the place to be "in your face" about the issues that were mentioned.

A good diplomat, in my humble opinion, would have realized this.

I'm sorry if it it offends anyone that I prefer a gentile approach to such matters.

I'm sorry if it offends anyone that I disagree with people like LT who apparently think that we will get through to people by yelling at them and calling them heretics. As we may have said in the 1980's - how totally Middle Ages, dude!

I'm sorry if I disagree with you when you apparently suggest that it is "right" to ruin someone's graduation day by unabashedly promoting one's own social agenda.

I have said this before, give people some credit, and they will listen. Try to frighten them like they are members of the uneducated peasantry of centuries past and all you will succeed in doing is turning them off.

If you want the Church to continue to lose members, by all means, elect this guy as your next Pope.

Yours,

hal

Hal,
I understand what you are saying, but I, too, disagree with you.

For the main reason that Georgetown calls itself a catholic college.

I also want to comment on something you said.

There it is, a good diplomat.

Cardinal Arinze is not a diplomat, he is a bishop of the Catholic Church, it is his duty to teach what the Church teaches.

I think there would be a lot less problems in the Church today if the bishops started acting like bishops rather than trying to please everyone.


David, the Byzantine Catholic

David:

The question was posed in terms of whether or not this Cardinal would make a good Pope.

My premise is that among the Pope's roles is to be a goodwill ambassador for all of Chrisendom.

I take it that you disagree with this premise.

Perhaps that's where the problem lies.

Like I said, my humble opinion is that, if you want the next Pope to be one who will be a yeller and a name caller, Cardinal Arinze would make a good candidate for you.

Yours,

hal

Dear Friends,

Even though blood is thicker than water, and I want to agree with "Hal," I'll have to agree with the rest of the "sticks in the mud" here .

The Cardinal didn't really say anything inflammatory - only insofar as that liberal institution thinks that anything that is traditional is inflammatory.

The day that a liberal Catholic institute is content to listen to ANY Cardinal - that's the day the Church will be in trouble.

I think the Catholic Church in North America should consider withdrawing the Catholic credentials of a number of "Catholic institutes" here.

We are all free to teach as we please.

But let's not pretend we're Catholic or Orthodox when we're not - please . . .

If we want a wishy-washy Church leader, we can always join one of the constituents of the World Council of Churches . . .

God bless the Cardinal!

Alex