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Dear Sant,
I will pray for you as well.
I think there are a few indult Trid. Masses in Australia--but it's a big country so I'm kind of talking out my hat so to speak.
I know this is the prayer forum--but I would like to talk to you about Vatican I and why it's a stumbling block for you.
Also keep in mind that infallibility was never claimed for prudential decisions--only for binding doctrinal definitions.
Keep in mind also, the Church's teaching about material schism--differs from formal schism, etc.
God Bless, Santino.

In Jesus and Mary,

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Arturo, since this is a prayer forum and not a discussion forum I'll keep my comment brief.

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And don't most "Uniates" seem like some strange parody of Orthodoxy, with their shortened liturgies and their Latin-based customs?
Good God, if this is what you believe then I think you've got your mind made up.

But even if this is just a silly rhetorical question, it deserves an answer. And that answer is NO, most emphatically, NO. The picture you paint in just one sentence with your cutting words is a sick parody of reality. The Greek Catholic Church is a Church of martyrs. They didn't die for the cause of imitating the externals of "Orthodoxy" --the died for being who they were and being faithful to Jesus Christ and His Church.

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AMEN, AMEN, AMEN, Lemko!!

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Thanks to everyone for your help. Latin Trad - yes I've come across some Traditional Roman Catholics here and had the pleasure to attend Latin Mass a few times in the past.

I'm gonna follow Alex's footsteps and take a break from this forum. The good thing about Zoloft is it makes you think for yourself, something I couldn't do too often when I was very ill. biggrin

You've all been wonderful, thanks for your love and charity.

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Well said indeed, Lemko. The sufferings of Sts. Andrey Sheptytsky, Leonid Federov, Theodore Romzha, Vasyl Velychkovsky, Nikolai Charnetsky, Patriarch Josyp, et al who all faithfully maintained communion with Rome and were fierce defenders of Byzantine tradition cannot be in vain.

Even when confronted by Communist oppression, dissent within their own churches, as well as serious Latin bias and ignorance all at the same time they never lost sight of their place as part of the Catholic Church. That is true martyrdom, when spurned by nearly all. Sometimes all of the theorizing and theologizing in the world cannot adequately describe or justify the need and vision for Christian unity the way that the silent witness of the martyrs of the gulags has.

Time off from extra distraction is needed now and then to take advantage of silence as much as possible. May the Holy Spirit guide your discernment.

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Well said indeed, Lemko.

... Sometimes all of the theorizing and theologizing in the world cannot adequately describe or justify the need and vision for Christian unity the way that the silent witness of the martyrs of the gulags has.

Time off from extra distraction is needed now and then to take advantage of silence as much as possible. May the Holy Spirit guide your discernment.
Dear Diak,

The martyrs and cofessors of the Gulag did share in these gifts of "time off from distraction" and the "advantages of silence" in ways we cannot fathom.

The Martyrs and Confessors of the Twentieth Century served the Lord and His people in all the corners of the world. Cardinal Nyugen Van Thuan's book "Testimony of Hope" is a wonderfully simple view of the faith. The Cardinal wrote based on his prison experiences, from the point of view of a man reduced to a minimal survival level. Sort of a Far Eastern "Way of the Pilgrim".

May the Holy Spirit guide you where HE needs you to go.

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Dear everyone,
I am sorry if my posts have offended anyone. Please pray for this young, confused, and foolish sinner.

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Thank God for a free society where the smallest of statements can become a huge discussion. Be at peace!

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