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Dear Zenovia,

Pat Robertson's track recond as a businessman is impressive. Mind you, nearly everyone could do the same if they ran healing scams for money, and pyramid marketing, and misappropriated charitable funds for personal gain.

You may argue that he used a small fraction of his ill-gotten money to do good with. He has...but doing evil so that good might come of it is still evil.

Assassination is never justified on the basis of politics. Ever. We cannot say that we will murder someone to preserve a political order we find acceptable. Thou shalt not Murder!

Please refer to the following article concerning the sources of Mr. Robinson's wealth.

Gaudior, who despises those who prey upon the gullible in the name of Christ while lining their pockets. mad

Pat Robertson: 'I don't have to be nice to the spirit of the Antichrist'
Observer, London - reprint
Tuesday, August 23, 2005
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by Greg Palast

Palast was nominated "Business Journalist of the Year by Britain's Press Association for his investigation of Robertson.

It's time someone told you the truth. There is an Invisible Cord that can be traced from the European bankers who ordered the assassination of President Lincoln, to Karl Marx, to the British bankers who funded the Soviet KGB. They are members of the 'tightly knit cabal whose goal is nothing less than a new order for the human race under the domination of Lucifer'.

If you don't know about the Invisible Cord, then you have not read New World Order by Dr Marion 'Pat' Robertson. This is the same Pat Robertson that the Bank of Scotland recently named chairman of its new American consumer-bank holding company. Interestingly, the Scottish bank's biography of Robertson failed to mention New World Order, the 1991 bestseller that the Wall Street Journal, in a mean-spirited review, described as written by 'a paranoid pinhead with a deep distrust of democracy'.

There is so much the Bank of Scotland forgot to include in its profile of Robertson that it is left to this newspaper to describe this man of wealth and taste. The bank, for example, failed to note that he is best known to Americans as leader of the 1.2 million-strong ultra-right political front, Christian Coalition.

It may seem a bit odd for the Bank of Scotland to choose as its spokesman a man who has been compared to Ian Paisley. But bank officials say they are not concerned with Robertson's religious beliefs. Nor, apparently, is Robertson concerned with theirs.

He said: 'You're supposed to be nice to Episcopalians, Presbyterians and Methodists ... Nonsense. I don't have to be nice to the spirit of the Antichrist.'

Why would the Bank of Scotland want to join up with a figure whose unpalatable views on women, gays, Democrats and others led one unkind civil liberties organisation to describe him as 'the most dangerous man in America'?

Someone more cynical than me might suspect that the Bank of Scotland covets Robertson's fiercely loyal following, the 2 million conspiracy wonks and charismatic evangelicals who, a former business partner says, 'would give him their life savings'. 'These people believe he has a hot-line to God.'

In an exclusive interview with The Observer, Robertson swears he will keep bank commerce, Christianity and the Coalition completely separate. But our look into the Robertson empire, including interviews with his former and current business associates, reveals a history of mixing God, gain and Republican campaign.

The combination of ministry and Mammon has provided Robertson with a net worth estimated at between $200m and $1 billion. He himself would not confirm his wealth, except to tell me that his share of the reported $50m start-up capital for the bank is 'just a small investment for me'.

Neil Volder, president of Robertson Financial and director of the new bank venture, emphasises that Robertson selflessly donated between 65 and 75 per cent of his salary as head of International Family Entertainment. But that amounted to only a few hundred thousand dollars a year - pocket change for a man of Robertson's means.

There was also, says Volder, the $7m he gave to 'Operation Blessing' to alleviate the woes of refugees fleeing genocide in Rwanda. Robertson's press operation puts the sum at only $1.2m. More interesting is the way the Operation Blessing funds were used in Africa. Through an emotional fundraising drive on his TV station, Robertson raised several million dollars for the tax-free charitable trust. Operation Blessing bought planes to shuttle medical supplies in and out of the refugee camp in Goma, Congo (then Zaire).

But investigative reporter Bill Sizemore of the Virginian Pilot discovered that over a six-month period - except for one medical flight - the planes were used to haul equipment for something called African Development Corporation, a diamond mining operation a long way from Goma. African Development is owned by Pat Robertson.

Did Robertson know about the diversion of the relief planes? According to pilots' records, he actually flew on one plane ferrying equipment to his mines.

One of Robertson's former business partners recalled that, although he often travelled in the minister's jet, he never saw Robertson crack open a Bible. 'Everywhere we were flying he had the Wall Street Journal and Investors' Daily.'

Volder counters that by diverting the planes for diamond mining, Robertson was actually carrying out God's work. The planes proved unfit for hauling medicine, so Robertson salvaged them for the diamond hunt which, if successful, would have 'freed the people of the Congo from lives of starvation and poverty'. The Virginia State Attorney General is conducting an investigation into Operation Blessing that is looking into the use of the charity's equipment.

Volder asserts that Robertson was 'not trying to earn a profit, but to help people'. As it turned out, he did little of either. The diamond safari went bust, as did Robertson's ventures in vitamin sales and multi-level marketing. These disastrous investments added to his losses in oil refining, the Founders Inn Hotel and a jet- leasing fiasco. One cannot term a demi-billionaire a poor businessman - but, outside of the media, Robertson could not cite for me any commercial success.

It is too early to tell whether his board membership of Laura Ashley will improve the company's fortunes. But, undeniably, Robertson is a master salesman. To this I can attest after joining the live audience in Virginia Beach for 700 Club, his daily television broadcast to raise money for the Christian Broadcast Network.

That week, he was selling miracles. Following a mildly bizarre 'news' segment (reporting, for example, that the Kosovo Liberation Army sells heroin), Robertson shut his eyes and went into a deep trance.

After praying for divine assistance for his visions, he announced: 'There is somebody who has cancer of the intestines ... God is healing that right now and you will live! ... Somebody named Michael has a deep chest cough ... God is healing you right now!'

It is not clear why the Lord needs the intervention of an expensive cable TV operation to communicate to Michael. But more intriguing theological issues are raised by the programme hosts' linking of miracles to donations made to Robertson's organisation.

In a taped segment, a woman's facial scars healed after her sister joined the 700 Club (for a donation of $20 a month). A voice intoned: 'She didn't realise how close to home her contribution would hit.' It ended: 'Carol was so grateful God healed her sister, she increased her pledge.'

The miracles add up. In 1997, Christian Broadcast Network, Robertson's 'ministry', took in $164m in donations plus an additional $34m in other income. The tidal wave of tax-deductible cash generated by this daily dose of holiness paid for the cable channel - which was sold in 1997 to Rupert Murdoch, along with the old sitcoms that filled the remaining broadcast hours, for $1.82bn.

But seven years prior to the sale of this media bonanza, the tax-exempt group 'spun it off' to a for-profit corporation, in which Robertson held a controlling interest.

Robertson donated hundreds of millions of dollars from the Murdoch deal to both CBN and CBN University (now Regent University). That still left Robertson burdened with a heavy load of cash to carry through the eye of the needle.

In his younger days, Robertson gave up worldly wealth to work in the ghettos of New York. But, says a former Coalition executive, 'Pat's changed'. She noted that he gave up his ordination as a Baptist minister in 1988. (He is still, incorrectly, called 'Reverend Pat' by the media.) His change in 1988 was accelerated when, according to his former television co-host Danuta Soderman Pfeiffer, 'he was ensnared by the idea that God called him to run for President of the United States'.

The 1988 run for the Oval Office, which began with Robertson announcing his endorsement by Highest Authority, was not some quixotic adventure. The race generated a mailing list of 3 million sullen Americans of the heartland, whose rage against the establishment was given voice by Robertson forming, out of defeat, the Christian Coalition.

Volder offers that it may in fact have been the Lord's stratagem to create a mailing list of good Christians. Such mailing lists, like the CBN lists, are worth their weight in gold. Robertson swears they shall not be used for the banking business. But abuse of these lists lies at the heart of charges by government and former partners. These are, of course, denied by CBN and the Christian Coalition.

Two former top executives in the for-profit operations, who have never previously spoken to the media, state that the tax-exempt religious group's lists and the Christian Coalition lists were used to build what became Kalo-Vita, the pyramid sales enterprise that sold vitamins and other products. The company collapsed in 1992.

A former officer of the company alleges some operations were funded, without compensation, including offices, phones and secretarial help, by the ministry. When questions arose about using donations for a commercial enterprise, Robertson produced minutes of board meetings that characterised as 'loans' the start-up capital obtained from CBN.

Not all board members were made aware of these meetings until months after they were held. Robertson's spokesman responds that they are unfamiliar with the facts of the allegation.

The US Federal Election Commission has charged Robertson's groups with misusing lists.

Federal courts are reviewing internal documents, including a 15 September 1992 memo from the Coalition's then president, Ralph Reed, to the co-ordinator of President George Bush's re-election campaign that says Pat Robertson 'is prepared to assist ... [by] the distribution of 40 million voter guides ... This is a virtually unprecedented level of cooperation and assistance ... from Christian leaders.'

Unprecedented and illegal, says the FEC, which is taking legal action against the Christian Coalition, technically a tax-exempt educational corporation, for channelling campaign support worth tens of millions of dollars to Republican candidates.

The action is extraordinary because it was brought by unanimous vote of the bi-partisan commission. It cited, among other things, the Coalition supplying Colonel Ollie North with copies of its lists for North's failed run for the US Senate, which followed his famed appearance at the congressional hearings on the Iran-Contra scandal.

The Coalition is defending the action. Records subpoenaed from the Christian Coalition contain a carefully scripted set of questions and answers by the Coalition and the Republican Party for a 1992 'interview' with Bush by Robertson broadcast on 700 Club.

This caught my eye: first because it appears to constitute a prohibited campaign commercial; and second because Robertson had months earlier claimed in New World Order that Bush was 'unwittingly carrying out the mission of Lucifer'. With Bush running behind Bill Clinton, Robertson must have decided to stick with the devil he knew.

But the government will never see all of the documents. Judy Liebert, formerly chief financial officer for the Christian Coalition, told me that she was present when Coalition president Reed personally destroyed crucial documents.

When Liebert complained to Robertson about 'financial shenanigans' at the Coalition, 'Pat told me I was "unsophisticated". Well, that is a strange thing for a Christian person to say to me.'

The Coalition has attacked Liebert as a disgruntled ex-employee whom it fired. She responds that she was sacked only after she went to government authorities - and after she refused an $80,000 severance fee that would have required her to remain silent about the Coalition and Robertson.

Liebert also claimed that her evidence about the Coalition's illegal printing of Republican campaign literature, stored on the hard drive of her computer, had been removed. Indeed, the entire hard drive had been mysteriously pulled from her machine - but not before she had made secret copies of the files.

The Feds, notes the Coalition, have never acted on Liebert's charge of tampering with evidence.

Little of this information has been reported in the press. Why? The three-hour dog and pony show I was put through at the CBN-Robertson Financial headquarters in Virginia Beach culminated in an hour-long diatribe by Volder about how Robertson was sure to sue any paper that did not provide what he called a 'balanced' view.

He boasted that by threatening use of Britain's draconian libel laws and Robertson's bottomless financial treasure chest, one of his lawyers 'virtually wrote' a laudatory profile in a UK newspaper.

As in the days when the Inquisition required recalcitrants to view instruments of torture, I was made to understand in detail the devastation that would be befall me if this paper did not report what was 'expected' of us. This was said, like all of the Robertson team's damning anthems, in a sweet, soft Virginia accent.

Robertson's banking chief, Volder, laid out a plan to reach the faithful, including appearances of bank members on 700 Club and 'infomercials' just after the religious broadcasts - although he said Robertson may object.

This is just the type of mixing that has so upset the election commission and the Internal Revenue Service, and last March Christian Broadcasting Network agreed to be stripped of its tax-exempt status for 1986 and 1987.

Furthermore, despite grimacing and grunts from Volder, Robertson told me he could imagine tying his Chinese Internet firm ('The Yahoo of China', he calls it) into the banking operation. Picking up Volder's body shakes, Robertson added: 'Though I'm not supposed to talk about Internet banking.'

And he wasn't supposed to mention China. His fellow evangelists are none too happy about his contacts with Zhu Rongi, the communist dictator who gleefully jails Christian ministers. Volder defends Robertson's meetings with Zhu - and his association with deposed Congo strongman Sese Seko Mobutu - on the grounds that 'Pat would meet with the Devil if that is the only way to help suffering people'. The fact that the connections assisted in obtaining diamond and Internet concessions is secondary.

Let us return to the point on which we began: the Bank of Scotland's US consumer-bank holding company, which Robertson will head. When the bank gets going, it will launch through Robertson's accustomed routes: phone and mail solicitations.

This deal could make Pat Robertson the biggest financial spider on the World Wide Web. The Wall Street Journal believes the bank will be worth $3bn.

Yet Robertson's choice of the Bank of Scotland as partner is surprising because, until this year, he boasted of his English, not Scottish, heritage.

Moreover, in New World Order, he singled out as the apotheosis of Satan's plan for world domination the British-chartered central banks conceived by Scottish banker William Paterson.

In the book Robertson explains that Rothschild interests carried on the Paterson plan, financing diamond mines in Africa which, in turn, funded the 'satanic' secret English Round Table directed by Lord Milner, 'one-time editor' of The Observer. (Ah-ha!)

Furthermore, the Scottish banker's charter became the pattern for the US Federal Reserve Board, a 'diabolic' agency created and nurtured by the US Senate Finance Committee, whose chairman was the 'Money Trust's' dependable friend, Senator A. Willis Robertson - Pat Robertson's father.

Are you following this? That's right. Pat is the scion of the New World Order, who gave up its boundless privileges to denounce it.

Or did he? As I drove away from the chapel/TV studio/ university/ ministry/banking complex, I realised I, too, had a vision of an Invisible Cord that went from Scottish bankers to African diamonds to the Senate Finance Committee to Christian conservatives to the communist dictators to the World Wide Web...

Originally published in The Guardian (UK) May 1999
Hear Al Franken play Pat Robertson in the recording of this story, updated, on the audio version of Greg Palast's New York Times bestseller, The Best Democracy Money Can Buy (Penguin 2004). Subscribe to his commentaries or view his investigative reports for BBC Television at www.GregPalast.com. [gregpalast.com.]

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Hi,

Do you remember the second beast in the book of Revelation?

The one who looks kind of like the Lamb, but speaks the words of the dragon and the praises of the first beast?

When the Lord said: "Do not eat the fruit of this tree."

What did the old dragon say? It said: "That's not true, you can eat, it is all a trap, never mind that, it's good for you".

Was it?

The Lord said: "You shall not kill."

What do you expect the old dragon to say?

Yes, I am not a politician, and I do not wish to be one. That doesn't mean I don't stay on top of issues some label as "political" to dismiss them one way or another.

And I was not aware that in order to understand "You shall not kill" you needed training or professional experience.

Shalom,
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The name televangelist has a bad connotation and it is used intentionally by some in the media for that purpose. Zenovia
Here's Merriam-Webster's Collegiate Dictionary, Eleventh Edition definition:

Main Entry: tel�evan�ge�list Pronunciation Guide
Pronunciation: te-li-van-j-list
Function: noun
Date: 1973
: an evangelist who conducts regularly televised religious programs
- tel�evan�ge�lism \-li-zm\ noun


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Gasp!! I just had a word of knowledge about supporting Robertson and CBN! A fool and his money are often parted. eek

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While Pat Robertson seems to have consistent foot-in-mouth disease, I would not be too hard on him. His �Operation Blessing� organization has helped an incredible number of people around the world. He is serving the poorest of the poor and I commend him for it.

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Dear Gaudior,

I have been watching and listening to Pat Robertson for years. Obviously Greg Palast is doing as what the Greeks would say, 'kathenas (each person), charactirizi (characterizes) ton (the), allon (other one), kata (as), ton charactira tou' (their own character).

In other words, Greg Palast is judging Pat Robertson as 'being' and 'doing' what he himself would 'be' and 'do' if he was in Pat Robertson's position.

For one Greg stated the following:

"The bank, for example, failed to note that he is best known to Americans as leader of the 1.2 million-strong ultra-right political front, Christian Coalition."

I say:

It's obvious from that statement that Greg Palast is a liberal. The RCC is also a member of the Christian Coalition. It is a coalition of those that are against abortion, homosexual marriages, pornography, etc. Is that so wrong?

Greg also stated:

"It may seem a bit odd for the Bank of Scotland to choose as its spokesman a man who has been compared to Ian Paisley."

I say:

First of all, who is it that's comparing Pat Robertson to Ian Paisley. Ian Paisley is a demogogue that arouses hatred of Catholics. Not once have I heard Pat Robertson critisize the RCC.

Greg wrote:

He said: 'You're supposed to be nice to Episcopalians, Presbyterians and Methodists ... Nonsense. I don't have to be nice to the spirit of the Antichrist.'

I say:

If he did say it, then it would be because the Episcopalians, Presbyterians and Methodists are now accepting homosexuality as not being against God's commandments, and are marrying them and ordaining them as priests. Certainly it has to be the 'spirit' of the anti-christ that is gearing them.

Greg wrote:

"That week, he was selling miracles. Following a mildly bizarre 'news' segment (reporting, for example, that the Kosovo Liberation Army sells heroin), Robertson shut his eyes and went into a deep trance."

I say:

The Kosovo Liberation army were the Albanian Muslim terrorists that have now destroyed all the Orthodox churches and monasteries in Kosovo, as well as having frightened all the 'Orthodox' Serbs into leave. Pat Robertson was the only one that went against Clinton and Allbright's policy of going to war so that Kosovo could eventually become a Muslim nation.

Oh, and it's quite common for Muslims to raise poppies for quick money. The Turks did it when they took over the wealthiest half of Cyprus and didn't know how to take care of the land, and the Afghans are also growing poppies now to support themselves.

As for his deep trance, that's a lie. They do have what they call on the 700 club 'the word of knowledge'. It's a time when they pray for others, and are given certain revalations. I can attest to their faith and truthfulness through my own personal experience.

Greg said:

"Federal courts are reviewing internal documents, including a 15 September 1992 memo from the Coalition's then president, Ralph Reed, to the co-ordinator of President George Bush's re-election campaign that says Pat Robertson 'is prepared to assist ... [by] the distribution of 40 million voter guides ... This is a virtually unprecedented level of cooperation and assistance ... from Christian leaders."

I say:

What they want to stop is a guide telling voters how their senators and representatives voted on issues of abortion, etc. Obviously the liberals want to keep people in the dark.

Greg stated:

Yet Robertson's choice of the Bank of Scotland as partner is surprising because, until this year, he boasted of his English, not Scottish, heritage.

I say:

Shame on Greg, or whoever gives him his information! But then that is typicle of so many liberals. They believe the end justifies the means, and feel that they themselves are the one's that should be deciding on what 'end' is the best.

I say shame on him, because in the many years that I had watched Pat Robertson, (probably 15 years), he always boasted about his Scotch ancestry. Not once have I ever heard him say anything about English ancestry.

Need I say more Gaudior. You are quite gullible.

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Dear Administrator,

It's obvious that some people have an agenda and watch Pat Robertson's show for the purpose of finding something that they can blow way out of proportion. The segment where he mentioned assassination was shown on FOX News. It was so low key that it's amazing anyone could have caught that.

It seems the problem with Pat Robertson is that he is excessively 'humble' and lacks the charism of Billy Graham. ..and yet he has such an immense amount of power, (I won't say wealth because I believe from comments I have heard throughout the years by those around him that it is something he gives away freely). Look he lived in a house that wouldn't heat up to more than 55 degrees and raised his kids on soy beans.

His power though seems to be a contradiction of his humility...and that is misunderstood.

I was talking to a family member that is very involved in world affairs and he said that Chavez has said everything imaginable about this country. Frankly he's a demogue and hates Bush! My family member dissigreed with me on assasination though since we now have the special forces and can use them to arouse the people against him. I guess assassinations are not needed anymore. But then again, it might have been a scare tactic on Robertson's part.

Well now Chavez is going around saying that we want to kill him. Talk about paranoia! It's good that Robertson apologized.

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Dear Memo,

As I said, I would not want any member of my family to be involved in killing another person, but we must face realities.

I have just finished a book that I meant to read for many years. It is THE ALEXIAD by Anna Comnena. She writes of her father who was the Roman Emporor in Constantinople during the time of the first crusade. That was a thousand years ago.

I sufferred reading it because it bored me silly. It was war upon war. The Emporor never had peace and left from one campaign to another.

Now he was highly devout, and would have all night vigils for the preservation of the Empire. He was also highly compassionate for his time and rarely gouged out the eyes of his enemies.

Somehow I can't help but feel that God was preserving the Empire through his abilities as a Generalfor the greater good, after all the collapse of an Empire would bring along with it chaos and all kinds of tragedies.

He killed, as did all those that marched with him. Yet it was all done within the cannons of the Church. He fought Cumens, Sarmations, Scyths, Turks and sometimes Celts during the crusades and under Behemond. As Anna said, the Celts marching through the Empire were as numerous as the sands of the sea. The preservation of the empire was of utmost importance.

An interesting fact: Before the advent of a group of Crusaders there was always a plague.

Now religious scholars, (RCC ones) have always interpreted that the anti-christ was held back by the Roman Empire. Somehow I am starting to realize, (and I may be wrong), that we are now the Roman Empire. It has involved through Byzantium to Western Europe and to us. As long as we exist the 'man of sin' (anti christ) cannot come.

Of course he can't as long as we have power because he has to form a world government and that is something we would never allow. Horrors though should we continue to have natural calamities such as that in the Gulf of Mexico...for without our powerful presence in the world, we would be opening the gates for the appearance of the anti-christ.

Just imagine this scenerio? Our economy collapses and with it the economy of the world. The Muslim extremists will have the opportunity to bring the world to chaos. The anti-christ will pop up and stabilize it by forming a world religion with every belief being acceptable, as well as holding a record of everyone on the planet. No more terrorism as he will give his promises of peace.

They say that two prophets will be lying dead throughout every city in the world. What are those two prophets? Can they be the two religious programs that are being broadcast throughout the world. One being EWTN and the other the 700 Club.

As for the beasts rising out of the sea, I have always wondered if they could be interpreted as the computor and/or television.

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I am sure Operation Blessing does do some good. But so do Catholic Relief Services and Aid to the Church in Need. Locally, I am able to contribute to a fine Catholic charity called, "The Ladies of Charity," which does excellent work. All of these Catholic charities do great good, but don't profit from it. When I am making donations, these are the folks I contribute to. Robertson's organizations are not even on the list.

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Dear Byzantn:

At one time I contributed to the 700 club, as I did to many other charities. I was grateful for the peace and comfort his spirituality gave me. I haven't watched the show though for a long time...my remote has broken and I'm too lazy to buy another one.

He really doesn't need my money. As he said, and Mother Theresa and Billy Graham as well, God wants people to give in order to bless them. Robertson questioned why he should be bothering people when God is so generous to him and he could cover everything so easily.

Billy Graham also denied having his expenses covered by a billionaire in the 1970's, and Mother Theresa did also when the Knights of Columbus wanted to cover hers. They all said the same thing. God wants to bless people.

Now had I been wealthy enought to be a $10,000 a month doner to the 700 club, I would have made a pretty penny. Pat Robertson went and gave them a stock tip that made them a fortune. Oh well! Money begets more money. I guess my good Lord feels that if I were to be rich, I wouldn't have the strength to resist temptation.

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Just imagine this scenerio? Our economy collapses and with it the economy of the world. The Muslim extremists will have the opportunity to bring the world to chaos. The anti-christ will pop up and stabilize it by forming a world religion with every belief being acceptable, as well as holding a record of everyone on the planet. No more terrorism as he will give his promises of peace.
You assume the US government is distinct from and opposed to the anti-christ as a matter of fact.

I am sorry, I am not ready to make such assumption.

As of today, the organization most likely to do the things the first beast does in the Book of Revelation is precisely the US government (that is, if they manage to put their act together one day).

So, I am not ready to dismiss it as a "viable candidate" just because its visible head raises an anti-abortion flag from time to time, when it's convenient.

I am not making any accusation. I am just keeping my guard up on all flanks.

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Dear Memo,

Of course many within the U.S. have the 'spirit' of the antichrist within them. If it were not so we would not be exporting all that we are via the media. Unfortunately all these things started about 15 to 20 years ago. It was then that equality for homosexuals, pornography etc. were being brought up before 'liberal' judges. I received many mail from religious leaders informing me of each and every case.

Before the Christian Coalition joined and influenced the Republican Party the liberals ruled the roost. That is before Reagan of course. This 'Fascist' Reagan, as he was called by some foreign press, managed to turn this nation around. Not only did he do so economically but by facing reality he helped end the Soviet Union.

As for the judges that make the decisions leading to the moral decline in this nation, many were chosen by Democrats. The Republicans being fair, allowed them to be elected during a Democratic administration. The same does not hold true though for the Democrats. They start their policy of 'personal' destruction towards anyone chosen by Bush no matter what their integrity.

You know abortion is not the only issue. Matter of fact had the abortion issue not been raised so strongly by some, it might have been solved years ago. By raising the issue so strongly they are merely frightening the 'right to choose' believers and by doing so keeping every judge with a good moral and ethical viewpoint off the bench.

The laws that are being interpreted by these 'liberal' judges have led to the moral decline we have seen in this nation...And without changing this culture of sex, sex and more sex,there is no way the abortion issue can be solved?

So what is happening? Whenever an issue appears before the court about, let's say freedom of speech in reference to pornography, the liberal judges could give a damn. There only concern is if it involves innocent prayerl As I said these fights have been going on for about 15 years. We have been slowly losing the battle, even with the influence of Pat Robertson.

Whenever some issue of importance to Christians is brought up in Congress, Pat let's his viewers know and they immediately start their calls to their Senators. He has saved the day many a time, but only to have to face more at a later date.

But you're right in one respect. All we need is a wrong government that is willing to allow itself to be dictated to by the U.N., or a world court, and that certainly will be the advent of the final and total 'man of sin'.

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But you're right in one respect. All we need is a wrong government that is willing to allow itself to be dictated to by the U.N., or a world court, and that certainly will be the advent of the final and total 'man of sin'.
You're still assuming this person will come from the outside.

Beware.

Shalom,
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