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Since I despise both Islam and pornography, I am not neutral at once - I don't want either one of them! I want the laws against pornography enforced, and I would be delighted to see laws in Western countries forbidding full Islamic dress in public places (when the Mohammedan countries permit the open practice of Christianity, allow the Christian clergy to dress as they are supposed to, and make it clear that neither the state nor the mosque is opposed to the freedom of the individual Mohammedan to embrace Christianity if he so chooses, please knock gently at the front door and let me know. I'm not holding my breath).

After the legalization of homosexual marriage by the State of Massachusetts, I seriously doubt their are many Iraqis who still think we're the good guys.

But if we take away the religious freedom for Muslims living in western countries, what arguments can use INFAVOR of religious freedom for Christians living in Muslim countries?

Do unto others...

Christian

Hi,

You think? Would this be more important to them than when American soldiers forced Iraqi prisioners to have homosexual intercourse while being photographed?

But of course, the breath-taking penalty of being fired and serving a full long year in an American prision imposed on one of the soldiers who committed these acts, will surely make the Iraqis reconsider their position, don't you think?

Sarcasm aside, I propose this ex-soldier to serve his sentence in an Iraqi correctional facility. In that case one year might be enough.

Shalom,
Memo.

Originally posted by Memo Rodriguez:

You think? Would this be more important to them than when American soldiers forced Iraqi prisioners to have homosexual intercourse while being photographed?

Thank you for pointing this out! My thoughts exactly!

But of course, the breath-taking penalty of being fired and serving a full long year in an American prision imposed on one of the soldiers who committed these acts, will surely make the Iraqis reconsider their position, don't you think?

This scandal shows the urgent need for the United States to sign up to the threaty on the International War Crimes Tribunal!

After all, what credability does a US military court have in the eyes of the Iraqis?

Christian

Orthodox Scandinavian offers what appears, on the face of it, to be a reasonable question in response to my comments:

"But if we take away the religious freedom for Muslims living in western countries, what arguments can use INFAVOR of religious freedom for Christians living in Muslim countries?

Do unto others...

Christian"

The flaw in this Christian argument is not hard to spot. A Muslim will answer that it is only reasonable for Christian countries to act according to Christian tradition and Mohammedan countries to act in accordance with Mohammedan tradition. We are erring blasphemers, they are the bearers of truth - and error has no rights over truth.
So, alas, we can only return to the pragmatic argument of reciprocity. If you want the "imam" to be free to walk the streets of New York, you must permit the priest to walk the streets of Riyadh.
To be even less patient: if Turkey wants to join the European Union, then it is incumbent upon Turkey to junk their incredible legislation on religion, and establish the sort of freedom of religion that the European Union demands. Is there even one Christian Church functioning openly and legally in Ancyra (embassy chapels don't count? Or ask the Orthodox what has happened on Imbros and Tenedos, where Orthodoxy is still supposedly legal.

But if we take away the religious freedom for Muslims in the European Union, how can we make demands that the Turkish government grant freedoms to Christians in Turkey upon joining the EU, freedoms Muslims don't have in the other countries of the EU?