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Slavite Jeho! (Glorify Him!)

I remember reading several times in different books about how popes used to be elected. And the crowd back then definitely had a say! If the crowd didn't like the person put forward, back went all the Cardinals to elect another one more desireable. I love the fact that the people would actually lock the cardinals into a building and not let them out until a pope was elected. And if needed, put them into a building with no roof to help speed the process up a tad!

Of course, there's the wonderful election of the pope at the beginning of the 1900's and the Ambassador of the Austro-Hungarian Empire's opinion/orders.

How far back do we really need to go to find a time when the election of anyone was a true event, not laden with politics and agendas? I guess the word "agenda" might have a meaning that is relative to one's own viewpoint. A cynic would say Ignatius the I. But I'm not a cynic. The job was too dangerous to have until Constantine came along and made it into something that was desirable, not something that could get you martyred.

Happy New Years to one and all, a bit early.

Tim

OK, I give up.
Ed

How else can one talk of Sub-Alleghanian Rus?

There were only two incidents of actual conclave, iirc--though the name has stuck. The people of Rome, upset about the cardinals' enjoying their stay a bit to much to bother with the business at hand, locked them in the building with the leaky roof with (con) a key (clave), where they were forced to subsist on water, wine, and bread until they delivered a pope.

I want to say the 1100's, but I'm fuzzy on that. I also want to say that there was a similar event a couple of hundred years later.

Anyway, it certainly leads to daydreams about the five Great Patriarchs: "You may come out when you figure out how to concelebrate . . ."

hawk

Meetings, including church meetings, should be held in a conference room with no chairs. Some companies practice this, and so much gets accomplished in so little time.

For the next conclave: no chairs, no room, little food, no shoes to stand on stone floors. The next Pope will be elected in fifteen minutes.

Ed

The College of Cardinals is indeed locked in - Prince Chigi usually holds the outside key. And at least the last two or three conclaves have not roused complaints of having lasted too long!

Fr. Serge