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Follow the link below. You know folks I really am starting to think that Islam is just a warped evil religion. I know that there are those who will say that their faith has been hijacked but the bottom line is none of the moderates or level headed people of their faith seem inclined to stop this madness.



http://www.reuters.com/news/video?videoId=78326&feedType=VideoRSS&feedName=TopNews

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I think we are like the Byzantines who prided themselves on their good relations with the Turks. We don't seem to know who our enemies are, or appreciate how much they want our destruction. I suspect Christianity will have to fight Islam at some point to survive. Hopefully, Christianity will have the good sense this time to defeat Islam so throughly it can't be a threat again. I agree with all the pre-John Paul II popes who saw Islam for what it really is.

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I am a product of the teachings of relativism. In school I was taught that my religion was no better then another. Whenever we learned in history about something that the Muslims did we were almost ALWAYS then told "well, that was bad, but look at what the Christians did during the crusade and inquisition".

If you're free to break free of the mindset that all religions are equal in their misdeeds (though mostly I was tought in the school Christians that we were the cause of most of the world's errors, so if anything Christians were the most at fault for evil), you are exposed to Centuries of Muslim aggression into Christian lands.

Why are we hit over the head nonstop in schools about the Crusade, but we never discuss the fall of Constantinople?

Relativism is the reason why Europeans are so apathetic to the Muslim extremism in their county, and I'm sorry to say, my generation and the one's that follow have been programed the same way as the Europeans, we're just a little behind. Whenever we hear of something that another culture or religion does wrong, our mind immediatly bring up the Crusades (and a historically inaccurate vision of the Crusades at that).

The damage has been done, my generation is programed to be blind to the horrors perpetrated by non-Christians by our education system.

All we can do now is pray.

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Insofar as Islam denies the Incarnate Christ, the Holy Trinity, the Church and upholds the spurious teachings of the false prophet and promotes all manner of human evil as the "will of Allah", yes it is evil.

Insofar as it periodically draws on the true sources of revelation and upholds belief in the one true God, there are seeds of truth in Islam and hope for the conversion of honest, searching, devout Muslims.

Interestingly enough, in the West, the sources of the "via Moderna" that form the font of most of what is evil in Western society today (Enlightenment rationalism, for instance) in its rejection of the "via Antiqua" all originated in Muslim thought. It is ironic that the West's self destruction is largely predicated upon Muslim principles related to the will to power.

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Hello Nathan:

I agree with your views. For the most part Christianity has evolved from the bad days we had. I am not sure the same thing can be said for Islam. As far as the Turks go they still won't admit to the genocide of the Armenians and they are repressive lot.

This is one case where there won't be any apologies coming from me if someone gets ticked off. It is high time we look at the threat in the face.

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I was raised in Saudi Arabia<long story for another time,perhaps>and as a child I never really had a handle on this issue. The Saudi friends we had seemed to be kind and gracious people. As I aged I began to see more and more that I knew wasn't right. Like the way they treat women.

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They may not have aimed the mortars at the school. If they used the same kind of mortars Hamas or other groups use against Israel, they could have been aiming at the town in general, not caring where it landed.

What appalls me is when children, the handicap, or the mentally ill are used as "suicide bombers"

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Terry:

The fact remains that these groups do not care who they take out and that in its own right makes them evil. I suppose someone will now say that we have killed a good number of civilians and that makes us evil as well however I don't think we are deliberately targeting them, at least I hope not. I best keep my opinions to the Iraq operation to myself.

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Converted Viking,
The difference is that "bad Christians" (past and present) are actually disobeying the teachings of Christianity.
Violent Muslims are just following the Qu'ran.

Mohammed was the only founder of a major world religion who was also a military conquerer. He and his immediate successors built an empire by conquest and won most of their "converts" by conquering people and forcing them to adopt the religion of "submission."
Only *later*, after that empire was established, did Muslims start talking about "getting along" and "Islam means peace," and stuff so that the Christians, Jews and others they subjected didn't rise up against them, even while they enforced a very strict ghetto/caste system.

It is the "peaceful Muslims" who are, within the context of Islam, "bad Muslims." They're like Catholics who, to get along in America, say, "It doesn't really matter if I follow the Church's teachings. Catholics who oppose divorce, contraception and abortion are wacko extremists who don't reflect the belief of everyday, mainstream Catholics."

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Hello John:

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It is the "peaceful Muslims" who are, within the context of Islam, "bad Muslims." They're like Catholics who, to get along in America, say, "It doesn't really matter if I follow the Church's teachings. Catholics who oppose divorce, contraception and abortion are wacko extremists who don't reflect the belief of everyday, mainstream Catholics." [/quote]

I suppose you are right but I would hope that Catholics who are good people would be raising a stink about the wack jobs in the Church. It doesn't appear that the moderate Muslims are doing much of anything.

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"The fact remains that these groups do not care who they take out and that in its own right makes them evil."

What do you mean by evil?

The terror and intimidation these radicals impose on citizens is willful. It seems obvious that radical Islam does not bear fruit. It is a path that is separate from God: it is antagonistic to the Love of God and the Love of neighbor in particular. But what makes it evil?

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ummm lets see it is a religion of the sword that advocates the destruction of non believers. It is a religion of death or so it would seem. It is ok to blow oneself up after all you will go to paradise as long as you are killing your enemy. I think when I say evil I mean evil, as in inspired by Satan.

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I am starting to get steamed so I am going to back off this can of worms I have opened for a awhile and just read the replies that roll in. When I get angry I tend to mouth off.


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I understand what you mean now, I have to agree. The fruit of the modern radical interpretations of Islam is rotten. It wouldn't be a stretch to believe that the rot begins at the root, with demonic influences. Can Satan �inspire� an author, so that a text is inspired but not by the Holy Spirit?

I questioned what you meant by 'evil' because some people use the word loosely. Too many people these days dismiss the reality of spiritual warfare. It is something that we must not be blind to.

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I can't think of anything that I have more ambivalent feelings about then Islam. One one hand, it's a false religion that is in total opposition to Christianity. On the other hand, when I hear Moslems speak of the decadence and perversion of America and the rest of the West, I'm inclined to agree with them.

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