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The US is NOT the heart of either the Anglican nor Catholic world.

The Ordinariates being erected as quasi papal right personal ordinariates (with the potential to be fully personal prelature dioceses once they generate some celibate Anglican Recension priests) puts them in an entirely different place from the EF... only for ordination does the local bishop matter at all, and if he's not willing, it's perfectly possible for the ordinary of the ordinariate to go shopping for cooperative bishops, especially since they can grant the needed permissions for even an auxiliary to do so without the axiliary bishop's ordinary's involvement.

(The episcopal conference of the country has to approve their existence, at which point they cease to be subject to local bishops except by membership of the Ordinary in the Episcopal conference.)

For me it looks like the approval or disapproval of the Bishops Conference is irrelevant. Anyway, local ordinaries can cause trouble because of of their power over "facilities and other logistic support", as StuartK said.

One must remember the post-conciliar Church is collegial, and the CDF must be confronted with a real crisis before it will go against the desires of a conference of bishops. And even when they do, the bishops can usually weasel out of compliance.

Fr. Serge:

I take exception to your title for Mary Glasspool. She is not a "bishopess", she is a bishop. Whether you agree or not with what the episcopal church has done, there is no need to demean people. This is as bad as some priests referring to woman priests as "priestess".

God be with you.

Fr. Mike

No, she's not. A bishop must be a man, and unless you know something about Mary Glasspool that you would like to share with the rest of the class, there is no way she can be a bishop.


What word would you use, Father Mike? And before she was elevated, just how would you address the priestess Mary? I always used to address the chaplain at my daughters' Episcopal day school as "Father Meg". No use in pretending that something absurd is not absurd.

On another forum very liberal female clergy have sometimes been referred to as "pastorettes".

Despite current wishful thinking to the contrary, English words often convey gender. The words, "priest" and "priestess" are examples of that. I don't care what the Episcopal church chooses to ordain, but I do care about the English language. I see no point in making it less clear and precise for the sake of political correctness.

So, technically, she'd be a "presbyterix" elevated to the rank of "episcoprix"?

It's threads like this that make me wish Papa Beni would just anathematize "political correctness" as a danger to the faithful...

I couldn't find the word "bishopess" in any online dictionary. Interestingly enough, Google gave Byzcath.org as the second place when I searched for bishopess using it. Looks like a new word was coined here on the forum, organically no less. And who says English isn't evolving!

Congratulations!

Whatever and whomever she is, she is neither a priest or bishop. Period!
Stephanos I

In fact, English is practically unique among languages, insofar as some words do not convey gender. Many languages do not have a neuter gender at all, while others, such as German, use the neuter gender very differently from the way English does.

Furthermore, I am not aware of any other language even attempting to "correct" itself according to a feminist agenda.