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I recall a service at Holy Resurection Monastery (CA) held I think once a year and possibly close to Pascha, where all the heads of the different branches of the Catholic Church were mentioned by name.  Good to hear that somebody does it.
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It doesn't say that the rest of the Catholic patriarchs must be commemorated ... but that doesn't mean that we couldn't. What is in the liturgicon? That determines what we could and couldn't do.
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It doesn't say that the rest of the Catholic patriarchs must be commemorated ... but that doesn't mean that we couldn't. What is in the liturgicon? That determines what we could and couldn't do. Isn't it up to Patriarch Gregory and the Melkite synod to determine what's in the Melkite liturgicon (with certain exceptions, like CCEO Canon 209 requiring the Pope to be commemorated)?
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I've pondered, "and all the Holy Patriarchs," as part of the commemorations--conveniently sidestepping the issue Idaho exactly they are
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It doesn't say that the rest of the Catholic patriarchs must be commemorated ... but that doesn't mean that we couldn't. What is in the liturgicon? That determines what we could and couldn't do. Isn't it up to Patriarch Gregory and the Melkite synod to determine what's in the Melkite liturgicon (with certain exceptions, like CCEO Canon 209 requiring the Pope to be commemorated)? Exactly.
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It doesn't say that the rest of the Catholic patriarchs must be commemorated ... but that doesn't mean that we couldn't. What is in the liturgicon? That determines what we could and couldn't do. Isn't it up to Patriarch Gregory and the Melkite synod to determine what's in the Melkite liturgicon (with certain exceptions, like CCEO Canon 209 requiring the Pope to be commemorated)? Exactly. I'm glad you agree.
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Just to add to that posting above. "However in the Sydney, Australia and New Zealand diocese ROCOR wherever the region of the Metropolitan is mentioned one must immediately add: “and Archbishop of Sydney, Australia and New Zealand” and then continue the litany as prescribed. Archpriest Michael Boikov, Secretary to the First-Hierarch ROCOR"
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I do and the last time I checked there weren't commemorations for all the patriarchs in the Melkite Liturgicon.
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Deacon Lance, you are correct.
We commemorate the Pope, the Patriarch, and the eparch or bishop if present.
I believe the non-Byzantine practice of every Melkite celebration commemorating the pope -- i.e., not just the patriarch at the dyptichs -- was "imposed" upon us by Rome. I'd have to check, though.
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Deacon Lance, you are correct.
We commemorate the Pope, the Patriarch, and the eparch or bishop if present. What if he's not present?
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The translation of the Melkite Liturgy in English that I have read online does not commemorate the Pope of Rome during the Litanies. For (our Father and Patriarch Name, if Present) our Father (Arch) Bishop Name, the honorable presbyterate, the diaconate in Christ, and all the clergy and the lay people, let us pray to the Lord. At the time during the Liturgy after the Consecration the priest says: First, Lord, remember our Father N. Pope of Rome,
our Most Blessed Patriarch N., our Father and (Arch)bishop
N. Graciously bestow them to Your holy Churches in peace,
safety, honor, health, long life, rightly dispensing the word
of Your truth. So in this way the Pope is remembered in each Divine Liturgy but unlike the Ruthenian Liturgy the Bishop of Rome is not mentioned, at least according to this translation from the Melkite Eparchy of Newton, during the Litanies. Melkite Divine Liturgy [ melkite.org]
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The translation of the Melkite Liturgy in English that I have read online does not commemorate the Pope of Rome during the Litanies. For (our Father and Patriarch Name, if Present) our Father (Arch) Bishop Name, the honorable presbyterate, the diaconate in Christ, and all the clergy and the lay people, let us pray to the Lord. At the time during the Liturgy after the Consecration the priest says: First, Lord, remember our Father N. Pope of Rome,
our Most Blessed Patriarch N., our Father and (Arch)bishop
N. Graciously bestow them to Your holy Churches in peace,
safety, honor, health, long life, rightly dispensing the word
of Your truth. So in this way the Pope is remembered in each Divine Liturgy but unlike the Ruthenian Liturgy the Bishop of Rome is not mentioned, at least according to this translation from the Melkite Eparchy of Newton, during the Litanies. Melkite Divine Liturgy [ melkite.org] Hi Nelson. I've never been to a Ruthenian liturgy, but my understanding is that they commemorate the Pope multiple times in each liturgy.
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In far more effusive terms than do the Melkites.
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So in this way the Pope is remembered in each Divine Liturgy but unlike the Ruthenian Liturgy the Bishop of Rome is not mentioned, at least according to this translation from the Melkite Eparchy of Newton, during the Litanies. In far more effusive terms than do the Melkites. In the 1950-Rome Greek liturgicon the Pope is not mentioned in the litanies either. In the Ruthenian Recension he is ubiquitously referred to as our universal/ecumenical Highpriest/Pontiff, depending on how one might translate the Slavonic. But, speaking of "effusive," and back to the 1950-Rome Greek liturgicon, he is commemorated there, after the epiklesis for instance, as panagiōtatou (a superlative!) Patros hēmōn NAME Papa hRōmēs ( link [ patronagechurch.com]) -- our all-holiest Father NAME Pope of Rome. The superlatives and effusiveness then continue with varying adjectives for the other hierarchs -- a stylized way of denoting respect, I presume.
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