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Christ is in our midst!!

There is a strong pushback on Pope Francis' document concerning blessing same-sex relationships. Here is a link to the Eastern Europeans.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/worl...2df66039c42369b2faadb362d0b2e&ei=146

There is also a story in my morning newspaper that relates an almost unanimous rejection in Africa where 1/4 of the world's Catholics live.

The original link is no longer functional because the page has been taken down. However I have found a similar article that is still up.

https://www.foxnews.com/world/polish-ukrainian-bishops-join-growing-coalition-against-vaticans-same-sex-blessings-document#:~:text=%22Since%20practicing%20sexual%20acts%20outside,relationship%20cannot%20receive%20a%20blessing%2C%22

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I agree with the sentiments of our Patriarch. Even in this country the term "blessing" has the connotation of approval and will be seen by many as an approval of the life style to which they aspire. I'm sure that is not what Pope Francis has in mind. Nevertheless, it is easy to perceive the confusion the document will and does already engender. While Jesus showed great compassion on the woman caught in adultery, and treated her with tender mercy; he told her to sin no more. Unfortunately, I don't think that spirit will prevail over some Catholic clergy who are "burning at the bit" to approve gay marriage.

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Apotheoun,

That is one POWERFUL statement!

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I am still in shock about this

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Originally Posted by Ray S.
I am still in shock about this
I'm not shocked about this.

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I'm not shocked about this.

Apotheoun,

I'm interested in your response. Would you care to expand? If not publicly, please send me your thoughts via pm. I am intrigued.

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Originally Posted by Apotheoun
Originally Posted by Ray S.
I am still in shock about this
I'm not shocked about this.
Not shocked by "Fiducia Supplicans", or not shocked by the reaction of the many more traditional and orthodox prelates in opposition to it? Personally, neither shocks me, and I think Abp. Shevchuk's response was wonderful and right on point.

I've yet to see any response from our Byzantine Catholic (Ruthenian) bishops, but perhaps I've not looked in the right place(s).

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Not shocked by "Fiducia Supplicans", or not shocked by the reaction of the many more traditional and orthodox prelates in opposition to it?

J Michael,

Most likely both.

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Originally Posted by J Michael
I've yet to see any response from our Byzantine Catholic (Ruthenian) bishops, but perhaps I've not looked in the right place(s).

I haven't seen one as yet, but here's the response from the Melkite Eparchy of Newton: link. [pbs.twimg.com]

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If there is a request to attend or to do a blessing or ceremony either inside or outside a church it can only be done with my prior written permission. Disregard for this prescription will result in canonical penalties.

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I'm not shocked about this.

Apotheoun,

I'm interested in your response. Would you care to expand? If not publicly, please send me your thoughts via pm. I am intrigued.

Thanks.

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I'm sorry. Alas, I thought the meaning of my response would be rather obvious, but let me put it this way:

I would have been shocked if "Fiducia Supplicans" had been released during the pontificates of Pope John Paul II or Pope Benedict XVI, but under the present circumstances the publication of this document does not shock me at all.

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Apotheoun,

I fully understand. I didn't want to come out with my own take on this before a conversation could take place. I have been leery about this Pope from the beginning, but have kept my counsel and watched as these things have developed. I just didn't want to tip my hand.

I just finished a book entitled "The Political Pope," by George Neumayr, a well-respected author on religion and politics, who has published in many publications. He has outlined what has happened in this papacy, named names, given background and history that explains this and previous documents. Those who knew Pope Francis in his earlier roles are either not surprised or are delighted, depending on their orientation: either faithful to the Church's teaching or opposed to it. He presents Pope Francis as a leftist who has read and been influenced by Marxism prior to his entry into the Jesuits. He also outlines the left turn of this order during and after the Vatican Council (2) which also heavily influenced this pope. The book is copyrighted in 2017 so it is dated and does not include this current document, but does give clues as to this outcome--rather prophetic IMHO.

We can only hope that the Lord will intervene to save His Bride from destruction at the hands of Pope Francis and the liberals with whom he has surrounded himself.

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We can only hope that the Lord will intervene to save His Bride from destruction at the hands of Pope Francis and the liberals with whom he has surrounded himself.

Amen, amen, amen!

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