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Dear Diak,

As one Latin Catholic acquaintance of mine says, it should be called "UMTN" to reflect its ultra-montanist leanings!

This is my caricature of EWTN's understanding of Eastern Catholics:

1) EC's don't have the Filioque - (EWTN note: it must have been a printing error).

2) EC's pray for the dead but don't accept Purgatory or Indulgences - (EWTN note: The worse case of "invincible error" we've ever seen!)

3) EC's are "in communion with" and not "under" the Pope - (EWTN note: That's what they think!)

4) EC's don't have statues - (EWTN note: good artistic taste takes a while to develop.)

5) EC's say the first Seven Councils, not the later 14 Latin Councils, are normative for them - (EWTN note: Do they have trouble counting that high?)

6) EC's have married priests - (EWTN note: As long as they don't actually sleep with their wives, we've no problem with that)

7) EC's consider themselves to be "Particular Churches" not "Rites" - (EWTN note: Yeah, rite . . .)

Alex

Fr. Deacon Ed,

yes thats the canon in the CCEO, although I would not say it corresponds to the canon in the CIC I cited. About the only things they do have in common is the notion of "obligation". However (and this was my point), where the Latin Catholic is said to fulfiil the obligation by assisting at a "Mass celebrated anywhere in a Catholic rite" (read Divine Liturgy of an Eastern Catholic Church )when the Mass is not available, Eastern Catholics are not obligated to "assist" in a Mass of the Latin Church or the Divine Liturgy of another Catholic Church to fulfill the "obligation".

"Fr. Mitch Pacwa is very good and I love his Holy Land Rosary"

Dear Alex,

I absolutely love it too, and I recommend viewing it atleast once, to everyone on this forum. There are atleast three different ones, with different sights in each, and in one, my church's retired Archbishop Iakovos can be seen venerating! In another, you can hear a loud and beautiful Byzantine chant heartfeltly bellowing from behind Fr. Mitch while he is trying to describe the church of the Nativity. I do think that these videos bring one a sense of union of spirit between the East and the West.

I have learned many things from these 'Holy Land' rosary videos. I also feel an intensely profound spirituality watching them. In my programming schedule, they are shown at 7:20A.M., and as such, are a very nice start to the day. Infact, it has been a while, so thanks for reminding me!

With love in Christ,
Alice

Dear Alice,

Yes, and, for me, it is wonderful to revisit the places in the Holy Land that I visited with my wife on our honeymoon.

The best way of saying the Rosary is, I believe, the method of including some words of the mystery under consideration for each decade of "Rejoice Mary's."

It is a beautiful way of entering into the mystery of the Incarnation while meditating on the entire life of our Incarnate Lord and that of the Mother of the Word!

But you know all that already . . .

God bless,

Alex

God Bless you all.

Can anyone tell me where can I find the CCEO? I have searched through the web but have not been able to find any site with it.

Leaving aside the legalistic issues for a moment, I believe that inasmuch the Orthodox have valid priests and mysteries, there should not be any problem to assist to the Divne Liturgy at an Orthodox parish, obviously this does not include to take communion there, it's just a thought

I find that a little odd: Roman Catholics can go to Eastern Catholics parishes to fulfill their obligation, but the courtesy doesn't apply for Eastern Catholics?
This is the first time I have heard such an interpretation, since over the years I have read publications that state that any Catholic of any rite can go to any Catholic parish on Sunday to fulfill their Sunday obligation.
I am reminded of the problem that certain Eastern Catholic parishes have with their young people attending Roman-rite parishes to satisfy their Sunday obligation. Why would such a problem exist then?

In far too many places, the "Sunday obligation" has become the "weekend obligation" - I have even noticed priests using the hideous expression "my weekend Mass". If one teaches people systematically that one is "obliged" to attend Mass under pain of mortal sin [a morally dubious affirmation, incidentally - or not so incidentally] one need not be surprised that those who have been so taught will seek out the least inconvenient way of "fulfilling their obligation" - this is what led to the amazing teachings on which "parts of the Mass" one was obligated to attend, and, worst of all, the bizarre notion that one could "fulfill one's obligation" by attending the Consecration and Communion of Mass A and then attending Mass B up to and including the Offertory, whereupon one might leave with a good conscience, having "fulfilled one's obligation" for another week. No, I am NOT making this up!
The whole silly idea is best avoided. We go to Church out of love.
Incognitus

Bernardo,

There are multiple editions online, unfortunately none of which I am aware are in English or Spanish:

CCEO - Dutch [rorate.com]

CCEO - French [droitcanon.com]

French - Intratext edition [intratext.com]

Italian [web.genie.it]

Italian - Intratext edition [intratext.com]

Polish [kuria.lublin.pl]

Polish - Intratext edition [intratext.com]

Romanian [greek-catholic.ro]

Romanian - Intratext edition [intratext.com]

Latin [home.arcor.de]

Latin - Intratext edition [intratext.com]

Latin with sources and navigation menu [kuria.lublin.pl]

Latin-Polish with sources [kuria.lublin.pl]

The advantage of the Intratext editions is that they are highly navigable.

Many years,

Neil

Griego,

The point is in the Current CIC and CCEO, Latin Catholics are obligated to go to an Eastern Catholic Divine Liturgy if no Latin Mass is available, on the otherhand an Eastern Catholic has no obligation to attend a Latin Catholic Mass if no Eastern Church is available. Also, unlike Latin Catholics, Eastern Catholics, if allowed by particualr law, have the option of satisfying their obligation through Vespers or Orthros.

I believe under the older Canon Law Eastern Catholics were obligated to attend Latin Mass if no Eastern Liturgy was available and this is probably still assumed and/or taught by some. The reasoning behind this seems obvious. The Latin Catholic Church is so proportionally larger than the Eastern Catholic Churches they are not concerned if some Latins must attend or are absorbed by an Eastern Catholic Church. On the otherhand the Eastern Catholic Churches are very small. In order to prevent their assimilation into the Latin Church, they do not have an obligation to attend the Latin Mass placed on them. Of course there is nothing wrong with attending Latin Mass and nothing prevents them from doing so, it is simply there is no obligation they do so, as there is for Latin Catholics.

Fr. Deacon Lance

Dear Father Deacon Lance,

Met. Andrew Sheptytsky also taught this and often dissuaded EC's from attending Latin Catholic Masses for that very same reason.

This new teaching represents a great milestone of progress in East-West relationships, by the way.

Alex

Can anyone tell me where a hard copy of the Code of Canons for the Eastern Churches can be obtained in English? Perhaps a software version?

I am not familiar with the source for it. I haven't found it yet, and I have been searching for a while.

Thanks,
Michael

Coalesco,

Glory to Jesus Christ!

I got my copy on a Word Perfect disk from the Canon Law Society of America. Their web site is http://www.clsa.org/menu.html. You will have to contact them and pay a small fee to get a copy.

Good luck,

Deacon El

Unfortunately the CLSA no longer offers either Code on disk, so you either have to buy the hard copy $60.00 available from the CLSA or get someone with the disks to make you copies.

Fr. Deacon Lance

Dear Fr. Deacon Lance,

Thank you very much for your explanation. May God bless you.

griego catolico

Is BC Dad still officially a Latin, or has he transferred?