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#55586 08/25/05 10:43 AM
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Dear Friends and Liturgical Gurus!

A question about the Service of the Twelve Psalms found at the back of our Psalter . . .

(Thanks to Andrij X for sending me what is truly the best Ukrainian language psalter I've ever seen. He sent me his own as I was impatient . . . I am speechless . . .)

I am brought to understand that the entire Psalter was prayed in 12 Psalm units in this way.

Is the format indicated for the 12 psalms in our Psalter something to be followed as given, or may we put in other psalms to get through the Psalter as the Fathers did in the Desert?

Alex

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Alex,

Would you explain this service of the 12 psalms in more detail? My Church Slavonic Psaltir does not contain any reference to this: it has the usual intructions as to which kathismata to read on a given day, as well as the rubrics for singing the psalter as its own service (even with or with our a priest).

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Adam

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In the Canadian OCA Psalter, it gives the following information:

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The Following of the Twelve Psalms

Which the venerable desert fathers sing in the daytime and at night, and of which mention is made in the books of the fathers, and in the lives and mertyrologies of many saints. This ordr was brought from the Holy Mountain by the venerable Dositheus, archimandrite of the Kiev Caves.
And there is a footnote for the above:

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This fixed service, found as said here in Kiev and on the Holy Mountain, is a relative of the services followed in the Egyptian desert, and in the early Benedictine rule. In those places the psalms are not fixed as here, but changed, together with some prayers, to allow for the recitation of the Psalter once in a week, or even once in a day. This form is properly found in the Psalter itself.
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Dear Friends,

Yes, then there are 12 Psalms, after every three, there tropars and kontakia, 30 Lord have mercy (rather than 40, interesting.

It is in the Jordanville Psalter, the OCA Psalter for Canada, the UOC-KP Psalter as well.

Alex

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Alex - I apologize for having discovered this thread late. Yes, indeed the rule of Dositheus or something like it was used by monks in Egypt for the entire Psalter. You can see something like this still in use in the Wadi Natrum cell rule.

The Slavonic Psalter Andrij sent me which was printed in Pochaiv is a gem as well biggrin I'll check and see if it has the service of the 12 Psalms tonight.


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