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#55696 04/05/04 08:26 PM
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Hey everyone. I was just wondering if you knew where I could get a daily missal or sunday missal for the Byzantine church? I have a Tridentine Daily Missal "Saint Andrew Daily Missal" for that, but I was born/baptized/raised Byzantine and I'd really love to get my hands on one of the missals. I cant find anything anywhere. I've tried search engines, bookstores etc.... any help? Either a website or bookstore. I'd buy the actual book or I could print out the pages online if thats all you could find. Thanks for your help.

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Pete,

Glory to Jesus Christ!

Try the Byzantine Seminary Press. They publish the Byzantine Book of Prayer. It�s $15 and available at http://www.byzantines.net/byzantinepress/.

John

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Pete,

one of the problems in your search may be the use of the term "missal". You will not find any Byzantine liturgical books termed "missals". "Missal" is the term used for the liturgical books of the Latin Church, which is related to the word Mass. These terms are derived from the deacon's exhortation at the end of the Roman liturgy, Ite missa est , lit. "you are dismissed". "Mass" is not used among the Eastern Churches to designate the Eucharistic service. The term used is "Divine Liturgy".

If you follow the link posted by John you will be able to find the proper liturgical book containing the Liturgies of St John Chrysostom and St Basil the Great. Most parishes have a hardcover or softcover "Pew Book" which is used for daily and Sunday Divine Liturgies.The more proper term for these books is "liturgicon" or "liturgikon".

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Dear Pete,

Deacon John is right of coure. What may not help is that many older BCs still call Divine Liturgy "Mass." Heck, I've heard a few Orthodox even refer to Divine Liturgy as "Mass." On top of that the last time I called one BC parish on the recording there were times announced (happily for me) of "Masses." And it was the pastor's voice, not a well-meaning but confused secretary. That usage of the word "Mass" by a pastor is not unique, it is reality.

On to "missal." What came to mind was the famous Raya book now known as Byzantine Daily Worship, google on that and you may find that helpful. It is a bit pricey and the translation is not the one used in the Ruthenian Church but it may be what you are thinking of. When he first published what would later become Byzantine Daily Worship it was first called "Byzantine Missal." YOu can read that here, on page 2. [madonnahouse.org] It appears you can order from there as well, but I can't find "Daily Worship.

I wish you the best on your pursuits.

Tony

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Byzantine Daily Worship
by Archbishop Joseph Raya and Baron Jose DeVinck
Alleluia Press

Description:
Based on the tradition of the Great church of Constantinople with a new translation of the Psalms from the Septuagint Version. Contents include: Introduction on the Byzantine Rite; Horologion or Breviary; Three Liturgies in full; Propers of every day of the year; Offices and sacraments. 1,036 pages in black and red on bible paper. 5 1/2 x 8. Hardbound.

Light and Life Publishing and Icon and Book Service of the Monastery of the Holy Cross both carry it, Icon and Book a little cheaper.

Icon and Book Service
$52.00
To order: 1-800-275-4566

Light and Life
$59.99
To order: 1-888-925-3918


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Nobody has ever done a "daily missal" for the Byzantine Liturgy in English, but it has been done in Greek (long ago in Rome - in the late 17th century) and in Church-Slavonic (last printed in 1905). Archbishop Neophytos Edelby' German-language Liturgikon (Recklinghausen) comes close and is quite useful.
As it is, one needs the Divine Liturgy itself, the Book of Hours (for the occasional chants) and the Epistle and Gospel lectionaries. These are all on the market, but would present difficulties for anyone trying to use all four books while sitting in a pew (but then again, we aren't supposed to have pews).
I don't know how true this is, but I've been told several times that one of the great problems in producing reasonably compact hand-editions of such things is that certain kinds of India paper are no longer available.
Incognitus

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Pete, for what you describe you will likely find nothing better in English than Archbishop Raya's Byzantine Daily Worship which Elaine usually has some copies at Icon and Book Service. It is arguably one of the better English-language mixes of Divine Liturgy texts (Chrysostom, Basil, and Presanctified), Divine Praises (Office) and other services such as Communion Prayers, Confession and Akathists.

If you are looking for something more focused on the Divine Praises (Office) you would do well to look at either the Jordanville Unnabreviated Horologion or the Holy Transfiguration Mega Horologion. While these do contain some changeable parts for the Divine Liturgy, they are focused more on the Divine Praises.

The Old Orthodox Prayer Book from the Old Rite Orthodox parish in Erie, Pennsylvania is also one of my favorites and with the Jordanville Horologion is one of the heavier-usage prayer books in our household.

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I use a 1948 edition of a "Greek-Ruthenian rite" prayer book that I inherited. It has English and Slavonic and fits in a pocket. The Byzantine Book of Prayer is the best one I've found that is modern. There is a two volume set that I've seen from ECP that I also like, but both of these are in English.

I have the old St. Andrew's missals (4 volumes) that I also inherited. I pull them out and read them during the Great Fast. I'm not familiar with the Tridentine Latin Mass (way before my time), but I do like a lot of the "old" prayers.



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Hey everyone. I was just wondering if you knew where I could get a daily missal or sunday missal for the Byzantine church? I have a Tridentine Daily Missal "Saint Andrew Daily Missal" for that, but I was born/baptized/raised Byzantine and I'd really love to get my hands on one of the missals. I cant find anything anywhere. I've tried search engines, bookstores etc.... any help? Either a website or bookstore. I'd buy the actual book or I could print out the pages online if thats all you could find. Thanks for your help.

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I use the Byzantine Book of Prayer with my Christian Prayer Morning and Evening version of the Liturgy of the Hours, sorta East & West mix of my daily prayers.

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Dear Friends,

What good responses to Pete's request! You folks are a fountain of helpful information.

My only Byzantine liturgical book is the "Divine Liturgy of Saint John Chrysostom" by the Holy Cross School of Theology.

I don't need the liturgicons with other Byzantine liturgies. Nevertheless, the Greek Orthodox version conveys the beauty of the Divine Liturgy of St. John Chrysostom.

Paschal Blessings!

Paul

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Pete,

I recently found not a daily but a Sunday and Festal Missal its title is "Hear Me O Lord" and is published by Basilian Fathers Publications in Michigan. It uses the Ukrainian Synodal English translation for the Liturgy, but the Byzantine Franciscan translation for Vespers and Matins, the NAB is used for the Scripture Readings. It was $40. Holy Trinity Monastery has it:

Holy Trinity Monastery
P.O. Box 990
Butler, PA 16004-0990
Rev. Leo Schlosser,OSB, Hegumen
Phone: 724-287-4461
Bookstore Phone: 724-287-4461


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