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Father Thomas, BLESS! Isn't it true that, according to the Canons, whoever bring the faith to a land and establishes it there, then has the right to give that Church autocephaly or autonomy? I thought that was universally understood and accepted? Since the Russian Church brought the faith here in 1791 and evangelized and established the Church here...then why do the 'johnny-come-latelys' get to step in AFTER and say they are incharge??? At the time of St. Tikhon of Moscow (when he was bishop in this land) we see that EVERYONE Greeks, Russians, Serbs, et al looked to him as presiding bishop in America. Didn't Archimandrite Theoclytos Triantifilides and other early Greek priests receive their assignments to their parishes and apply to St. Tikhon for their antimens? Didn't the early Greek parish in Galveston, Texas receive its priests from St. Tikhon? How did things change later? I just don't understand. Kissing your holy right hand, Your brother in the Lord, +Gregory, priestmonk
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Hmm� I just thought of a new creation � a peanut butter and cold slaw sandwich.
Admin Throw some french fries on that and you'll be eligible to move to Pittsburgh!
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LOVE it! Har har har
Father Thomas, I like this by Bishop Kallistos (Ware):
"The Orthodox Church is thus a family of self-governing Churches. It is held together, not by a centralized organization, not by a single prelate wielding absolute power over the whole body, but by the double bond of unity in the faith and communion in the sacraments. Each Church, while independent, is in full agreement with the rest on all matters of doctrine, and between them all there is full sacramental communion. (Certain divisions exist among the Russian Orthodox, but the situation here is altogether exceptional and, one hopes, temporary in character). There is in Orthodoxy no one with an equivalent position to the Pope in the Roman Catholic Church. The Patriarch of Constantinople is known as the "Ecumenical" (or universal) Patriarch, and since the schism between east and west he has enjoyed a position of special honor among all the Orthodox communities; but he does not have the right to interfere in the internal affairs of other Churches. His place resembles that of the Archbishop of Canterbury in the worldwide Anglican communion."
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WOW! I guess I had no idea what discussion I could unleash by asking such a question! (that's a good thing!)
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Originally posted by Administrator: Hmm� I just thought of a new creation � a peanut butter and cold slaw sandwich. Admin Believe it or not, PBJ and pita bread sandwiches are really quite good. And "authentic", too  - I tried the combination only after the insistence of a Middle Eastern woman. Marc
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Dear Administrator, Then forgive me for not wishing you a Happy New Year earlier! Kung Hey Fat Choy! Alex
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Time and time again, the call has been put out to simply submit ourselves to the canonical reality of the Church's vision. Dear Father Thomas, If I recall correctly, the Greek Orthodox Archbishop of the time, Arch. Iakovos, was very upset that the OCA was given autocephali. Now Arch. Iakovos, as a Turkish citizen, was in line to become the next Patriarch of Constantinople. I do believe his intent was to organize all the Orthodox Churches in this country, (as well as Canada, S. America, and Central America), under his jurisdiction. His Turkish Citizen was eventually taken away, and because of his political and economic power with the many wealthy Greeks Americans in this country, he became a threat to the current Patriarch. He was eventually asked to retire, leading to bitterness and 'revenge' by those powerful supporters of Arch. Iakovos, as well as by the priests that found it was to their benefit to have someone that followed the 'liberal' policies of Arch. Iakovos. The upheaval these individuals caused, forced the Patriarch to remove the highly competent and devout Arch. Spyridon...against the laity's wishes. Our Lord works in mysterious ways, and the formation of the OCA might have been to the spiritual betterment of the Orthodox Church.. Arch. Iakovos leaned very much towards the Episcopal Church and I feel that the direction the Greek Church took those many years, was not really Orthodox...But of course, this is only my humble opinion. I ask for your blessing, Zenovia
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Not that I have the right to do so, but everyone around here knows that I'm always likely to open my big mouth at an inoppertune time. But doesnt canon 28 of Council of Chalcedon say that the Oecumenical Patriarchate has the right of jurdistiction over the Barbarian lands? (In the technical sense, which would be the non-Greek world--not that I'm not proud of my Barbarian English tongue  ) I mean, dont be mad at me for this, but I can understand where the Oecumenical Patriarch is coming from. That Canon makes Constantinople the next See after Rome; equal in all ways to Rome apart from the distinctions made between the two sees by the Petrine keys. Is it not legitimate then for Constantinople to claim that only she can grant autocephaly to the OCA? I know it frightens some people to think of the Oecumenical Patriarchate as being 'a Papacy in the East'. However, for all intense purposes Canon 28 of Chalcedon does this and the title Oecumenical Patriarch implies this. Perhaps, I am misunderstanding Canon 28 of Chalcedon and if I am then someone please correct me. Howevever, the way I read the Canon Constantinople has the right to ordain Bishops in Barbarian territories and to confirm elections made therein. This might upset people and if it does, believe me it wasnt my intention to hurt anybody's feelings. I've seen many people getting quite heated about this. However, from where I am seated, the Oecumenical Patriarchate has the stronger case based upon the Patristic evidence.
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Canon 28 of Const: Following in all things the decisions of the holy Fathers, and acknowledging the canon, which has been just read, of the 150 bishops beloved of God who assembled in the imperial city of Constantinople (Constantinople 2, see below), which is New Rome, in the time of the Emperor Theodosius of happy memory, we also do enact and decree the same things concerning the privileges of the most holy church of Constantinople, which is New Rome. For the Fathers rightly granted privileges to the throne of old Rome, because it was the royal city. And the 150 most religious bishops, actuated by the same consideration, gave equal privileges to the most holy throne of New Rome, justly judging that the city which is honored with the sovereignty and the senate, and enjoys equal privilege with the old imperial Rome, should in ecclesiastical matters also be magnified as she is, and rank next after her; so that, in the Pontic, the Asian and the Thracian dioceses, the metropolitans only and such bishops also of the dioceses aforesaid as are among the barbarians, should be ordained by the aforesaid most holy throne of the most holy church of Constantinople ... Notice that that power only extends to three dioceses: Pontus, Asia, and Thrace (Asia in the Roman sense of it). Constantinople likes to try and extend that to other countries but that is a bit of a stretch. Note: I am not necessarily an oCA supporter. Anastasios
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I get that Anastasios (cool name by the way, did your parents give that to you? Must be devout to call their child ressurection. Always a good thing  ) but the Oecumenical Patriarchate seem to be appealing to this piece of text here: so that, in the Pontic, the Asian and the Thracian dioceses, the metropolitans only and such bishops also of the dioceses aforesaid as are among the barbarians , should be ordained by the aforesaid most holy throne of the most holy church of Constantinople ... What does this mean? The Patriarchate of Constantinople seems to interpret this as meaning they have the right of jurdistiction over Eastern Orthodox missions. The Canon after all speaks of the Bishops in the Barbarian lands having to answer to the Patriarch of the Imperial city. Now, if we take this to mean the Council Fathers' mean Barbarian Bishops full stop then there can be no argument against Constantinople. However, even if they're only speaking of Bishops I can see where Constantinople is coming from. According to my understanding of Eastern Orthodox history the evangelisation of all the slavic peoples of the East was the work of Constantinople. What the Oecumenical Patriarchate might be saying is, as such, the Slavic sees fall under their jurdistiction in accordance with this canon. (Btw, when was the decision made to make Moscow a Patriarchate?) Thus, given that the missionaries to the America were linked to the Oecuemnical Patriarchate through them being Slavs, I think what Constantinople is trying to say is that their actions must be confirmed by it in accordance with Canon 28. This might be stretching things a little but what other possible reason could they have for claiming these rights? And indeed where could they get that authority? Moreover, if this is what they are saying. On what grounds can Constantinople be challenged? I dont mean in an argument but based on the jurdistictional privelleges given to her by Canon 28? Is there anyone higher to appeal to in Orthodoxy to say her interpretation of the Canon is incorrect? She is the first amongst them, whether or not others disagree with her does not change what the Canon itself says or what the earlier Canons of Nicea etc. say about Primatial Sees. The other Bishops are obliged to listen to the first amongst them, we have all heard this Canon from Nicea quoted time and time again, and I think this is what the Oecumenical Patriarchate is insisting. Since Canon 28 gives her equal privelleges to Rome in all things that are not exclusively derived from Rome's unique Petrine apostolicity, how then can she be refused over this lawfully? Canonically?
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Dear Myles, While I agree with the Patriarch's jurisdictional perrogative in the Americas, I do believe that you are stretching #28 of Chalcedon a bit. (You may care to see my previous post in this thread.) You may also want to hear arguments from the other side, such as the one presented by Archbishop Peter (L'Huiller) in his book on the first four Ecumenical Councils available through www.svots.org [ svots.org] (SVS Press-bookstore). The Holy Canons of the Church are not to be thrown about as so many rapiers in a court of law...."for the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God." But each canon does provide us with a guide post or reference point from which the leadership can assess each specific and contemporary situation. The canon says that a woman shall not approach the altar. But if one were in need of immediate surgery and the closest table were an altar -there I would send both patient and surgeon. In each situation, we need to see which particular situation the canon sought to address or remedy and move forward to other situations from there. I propose that Alaska, especially if it had never been sold to the USA, but which was not part of the Church of Russia when her Tomos of Autocephaly was granted to her, is a good case study. The missions into Alaska were a natural or organic, if you will, outgrowth of the Church of Russia into a "barbarian" land. The Patriarch of Constantinople did not and should not have protested the Church of Russia's organization of ecclesial life in that territory starting in 1794. But the rest of the America's were never as simple as the case of Alaska. All groups came here. No one initially claimed universal jurisdiction. Even the OCA does not claim universal jurisdiction. Only the Patriarch of Constantinople is claiming that, but in a very gentle way. And certainly pointing out, that a multiplication of jurisdictions is not making the resolution any simpler. And just as disputing parties in the early Church turned to Rome as the Primatial see and fair arbiter of their disputes, so should the Churches here in the Americas, logically and respecting the perrogatives given to Constantinople as Orthodoxy's "first among equals," turn to the Pat. of Constantinople for canonical organization. The Church is not set up so as to compel her parties to cooperate under force of canon law, but out of love for Christ's Church. The canon's can only give good examples, it is up to the hierarchs and all Church members to show that love for one another. Only in that love for Christ and one another will the Spirit's movements be realized. In Christ, Andrew
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Hi, Even our Administrator is ethnic, when it comes to food! Who isn't "ethnic"? Shalom, Memo
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Here is a recent letter sent by the Patriarch of Moscow to the Patriarch of Constantinople. It outlines Moscow's position quite clearly. Sorry for the length of this post, but I cannot find a link to this letter. To His Holiness Bartholomew, Ecumenical Patriarch and Archbishop of Constantinople, New Rome Your Holiness, Beloved Brother and fellow celebrant in God, We greet you fraternally and wish you grace and mercy from God our Saviour.
We have received the message of Your Holiness, No. 129 of 11 April 2002, concerning the situation of the Archdiocese of Russian Orthodox Parishes in Western Europe. Reading this letter, we were very troubled by the great number of bitter reproaches and unjust accusations that you formulate therein. In any case, however, we wish to follow the precept of wise Solomon (Proverbs 17:9): 'He that covereth a transgression seeketh love; but he that repeateth a matter separateth very friends'. Not wishing to put to the test for no good reason the feeling of brotherly love between our two Churches, we shall not consider in detail these awkward expressions, for we think that it is more a case of unfortunate misunderstandings deriving, in our opinion, from an erroneous understanding of the problems that you have raised. This is why we think that it is better to move on immediately to the interpretation of Canon 28 of the Fourth Ecumenical Council advanced by Your Holiness, an interpretation with which we disagree completely.(1)
This canon in fact defines the area of responsibility of the Patriarchal See of the Church of Constantinople by limiting it to the ancient provinces [called 'dioceses' by the Roman government of the time, Ed.] of [Proconsular] Asia, Thrace and of Pontus, that is, to the provinces that correspond to modern-day Turkey, Bulgaria and Greece. It does not at all follow from this canon that 'every province not belonging to another patriarchal see' should be subject to the Patriarchate of Constantinople.
It seems obvious that this inaccurate interpretation derives from an erroneous understanding of the term 'among the barbarians' (en tois barbarikois) and of the context of this _expression. It is erroneous in that it assumes that the issue here does not concern 'barbarian' peoples living either in the Roman Empire or beyond its limits, but administrative entities (defined by the State) and inhabited primarily by 'barbarians'. Yet there is no doubt but that this _expression refers not to provinces but to peoples; it is not used in an administrative, but in an ethnic sense. This follows clearly from the considerations that we shall develop below.
As you know, during the Hellenistic and Byzantine periods the term barbaros referred to individuals belonging to peoples whose language, culture and customs were not Greek. Thus St Gregory of Nyssa, in the third of his works Against Eunomius, can speak of a 'barbarian philosophy' (barbariki philosophia), while Eusebius of Caesarea speaks of 'barbarisms in the Greek language' (idiomata barbarika), St Epiphanius of Cyprus of 'barbarian names' (barbarika onomata) and Libanius, the teacher of St John Chrysostom, of 'barbarian customs' (barbarika ithi). Similarly the Apostle Paul thinks of anyone who speaks neither Greek nor Latin, the official languages of the Empire, as a 'barbarian' (barbaros): 'Therefore if I know not the meaning of the voice, I shall be unto him that speaketh a barbarian (barbaros), and he that speaketh shall be a barbarian (barbaros) unto me' (1 Cor 14:11). Such 'barbarians' could equally well live outside as within the Empire. The Apostle preached to the 'barbarians' without ever leaving the Roman Empire (cf. Rom 1:14) and the Acts of the Apostles call the inhabitants of Malta 'barbarians', even though the island was part of the Empire, simply because the local language was Punic.
As regards the _expression to barbarikon, it is certainly the case that this _expression can be used to refer to territories outside the limits of the Empire, and it is in this sense that the term is used, for example, in the Canon 63 (52) of the Council of Carthage. There it is said that in Mauritania there were no councils because that country was located at the very edge of the Empire and borders on barbarian land (to barbariko parakeitai). Nevertheless, it can also refer to anything that is barbarian, and therefore to territories which, while inhabited by barbarians, form part of the Empire.
It is precisely in this sense that the term is used in Canon 28 of the Council of Chalcedon. Reference is not being made to the barbarian peoples in general, but to certain well-defined peoples 'belonging to the above-mentioned provinces' (ton proeirimenon dioikeseon), i.e. the barbarians living in the provinces of Pontus, Asia and Thrace, which were an integral part of the Eastern Roman Empire. Thus the canon subordinates to the see of Constantinople the bishops of the barbarians living within the ecclesiastical boundaries of these three dioceses.
All the Byzantine commentators on the canons -- Alexios Aristenus, John Zonaras and Theodore Balsamon, as well as Matthew Blastaris, author of the Syntagma -- understand by the _expression en tois barbarikois precisely and only those barbarian peoples within those three provinces, thereby underlining that the barbarian peoples in neighbouring provinces were not subjected to Constantinople by this canon, but remained under the jurisdiction of other Orthodox Churches. Thus Aristenus writes that only the metropolitans of Pontus, Asia and Thrace are under the bishop of Constantinople and are consecrated by him; the same applies to the bishops of the barbarians in these provinces, since the provinces of Macedonia, Illyria, Thessaly, the Peloponese and Epirus were at that time subject to the authority of Rome (Syntagma 2.286; Kormchaia kniga [1816], P. 73). According to Zonaras, it is the bishop of Constantinople who is responsible for the consecration of bishops for the barbarians living in the provinces mentioned, while the remaining provinces, viz. Macedonia, Thessaly, Hellas, the Peloponese, Epirus and Illyria were subject to Rome (Syntagma 2.283, 284).
In the Syntagma of Blastaris we read that the bishop of Constantinople also has the right to consecrate the bishops of barbarian peoples living on the edges of these provinces, such as the Alans and the Rousoi, since the former live next to the diocese of Pontus and the latter next to the diocese of Thrace (6.257). In the latter case it is a question of a late ecclesiastical practice (Blastaris' comments concern the fourteenth century) according to which the barbarian lands next to the three provinces mentioned were included in the jurisdiction of the bishop of Constantinople. Moreover, it is stressed that the jurisdiction of the bishop of Constantinople was extended to these territories precisely because of their nearness to the areas assigned to him by Canon 28 of Chalcedon, though in the canons themselves the possibility of such an enlargement is not foreseen.
Thus these ancient and authoritative commentators confirm that the Council of Chalcedon did not give to the bishop of Constantinople rights over 'barbarian' territories except within the limits of the three provinces mentioned, of which only the province of Thrace is situated in Europe. Aristenus and Zonaras, for example, indicate clearly that in Europe the right of the bishop of Constantinople to send bishops for the barbarians extends only to Thrace, since the other provinces are subject to the bishop of Rome. As regards the frontiers of the Church of Constantinople in Asia, Balsamon makes this comment in his interpretation of Canon 28 of the Fourth Ecumenical Council:
Note that the metropolitans along the Black Sea up to Trebizond are called 'Pontic', while the metropolitans near Ephesus, and in Lycia and Pamphylia are called 'Asiatic', though not, as some say, those in Anatolia, since in Anatolia it is [the bishop of] Antioch who has the right to consecrate (Syntagma, 2.284).
It is also appropriate to note that in this canon it is not a question of a 'diaspora', but of autochthonous 'barbarians' living in their own lands. They became Christian largely as the result of missionary activity and Christianity did not reach them through a foreign homeland, as is the case with a 'diaspora'. This is why one is distancing oneself from historical reality and mixing up differing concepts if one extends the field of application of a canon that concerned autochthonous peoples who became Christian as the result of missionary activity with the phenomenon of a diaspora made up of people who have departed for a foreign land, but who were brought up in the Orthodox tradition in their homeland.
Thus the statement by Your Holiness that as a result of Canon 28 of Chalcedon 'Western Europe and all the lands recently discovered in America and Australia belong to the area of responsibility of the Ecumenical Patriarch' seems completely fictitious and is without canonical foundation. These distant lands actually have no connection with the three provinces mentioned in Canon 28 and are nowhere near them. Moreover, the majority of the Orthodox faithful of the Churches in these territories are not native-born; they represent peoples that are traditionally Orthodox and have religious traditions that they wish to preserve. As regards Orthodox jurisdiction in the canonical territories that belonged to the Church of Rome before the schism of 1054, no authoritative pan-Orthodox decision has ever been taken.
All of this is supported by historical facts that indicate that until the 20s of the twentieth century the Patriarch of Constantinople did not in fact exercise authority over the whole of the Orthodox diaspora throughout the world, and made no claim to such authority. For example, in Australia the Orthodox diaspora was initially served by Jerusalem, and the Patriarch of Jerusalem sent priests there. In Western Europe, from the beginning, the parishes and Orthodox communities were dependent canonically on their Mother Churches and not on Constantinople. Similarly, in other parts of the world, in order to follow the commandment of Christ (Mt 28:19f.), zealous missionaries from local Orthodox Churches, including Constantinople, preached the Gospel and baptised the native peoples, who then became the children of the Church that had illumined them by Baptism.
As regards America, from 1794 Orthodoxy on that continent was represented exclusively by the Church of Russia, which by 1918 had brought together some 300,000 Orthodox of different nationalities (Russian, Ukrainians, Serbs, Albanians, Arabs, Aleuts, Indians, Africans, English). The Greek Orthodox were among them, receiving antimensia for their parishes from the Russian bishops. This situation was recognised by all the local Churches, who released clergy for the American parishes into the jurisdiction of the Russian Orthodox Church. The Patriarchate of Constantinople followed the same practice. For example, when in 1912 the Greek Orthodox in America asked His Holiness the Patriarch of Constantinople Joachim III to send a Greek bishop, the Patriarch did not send a bishop himself, nor did he refer the request to the Church of Greece, but recommended that it be referred to Archbishop Platon of the Aleutian Islands and North America so that the question could be settled by the Holy Synod of the Russian Orthodox Church.
Jurisdictional pluralism in North America began in 1921, when an 'Archdiocese of North and South America' was created without the agreement of the Russian Church, which was not informed of the matter. It is at this point that the situation you describe arose, i.e. 'In spite of the Holy Canons, the Orthodox, in particular those who live in Western countries, are divided into ethnic groups. Their Churches have at their head bishops chosen on ethnic grounds. Often they are not the only bishops of their cities, and sometimes they are not on good terms with one another and fight among themselves', something that is 'a source of shame for all Orthodoxy and the cause of unfavourable reactions that have negative results for the Orthodox Church'. As we have seen, the blame for this sad situation cannot be attached to the Russian Church. On the contrary, seeking to bring American Orthodoxy into line with the rest of the Orthodox world, as Mother Church she granted autocephaly to her daughter Church. In doing this the Russian Church acted only within the limits of its own canonical jurisdiction and with a view to a future pan-Orthodox decision concerning the establishment of a single local Orthodox Church in America. We might note that, already in 1905, a proposal for the creation of such a Church had been presented to the Holy Synod by Saint Tikhon of Moscow, who was then Archbishop of the Aleutian Islands and North America.
It is sad to observe that the Most Holy Church of Constantinople did not support the action taken in 1970 and has not contributed to the union that was so desired. Until now this remains a source of discord and discontent on the part of many Orthodox in America.
In spite of Your Holiness' affirmation that 'no other Patriarchal see has received the privilege or canonical right' to extend its jurisdiction beyond the provinces that belong to the canonical territories of the autocephalous Churches, history demonstrates that Canon 28 of the Fourth Ecumenical Council that subjected the three provinces mentioned to Constantinople did not in any way diminish the rights of the other autocephalous Churches, in particular as concerns ecclesiastical jurisdiction over foreign lands. Thus the Church of Rome appointed bishops throughout most of Europe (excepting Thrace), while the Church of Alexandria assigned bishops to the countries south of Egypt (and subsequently throughout most of Africa), and the Church of Antioch did so in the East, in Georgia, Persia, Armenia and Mesopotamia. The jurisdiction of the Church of Constantinople, however, for its part, for a long time remained confined within what had been the boundaries of the provinces of Asia, Pontus and Thrace before that Council.
We should also note that historically both the primacy of honour established by Canon 3 of the Second Ecumenical Council and its jurisdiction over the three provinces mentioned above were given to the Church of Constantinople solely for political reasons, i.e. because the city in which the see of Constantinople was located had acquired the status of a political capital and had become 'the city of the Emperor and the Senate'. Thus Canon 28 of the Fourth Ecumenical Council stipulates that 'In taking this decision as to the precedence of the Very Holy Church of Constantinople, the New Rome, we note that the Fathers [of the Second Ecumenical Council] have in fact rightly granted precedence to the see of Old Rome because that city was the Imperial City. Moved by the same considerations the 150 bishops beloved of God [of this Council] have granted the same precedence to the Very Holy See of New Rome, justifiably thinking that the city honoured by the presence of the Emperor and the Senate and enjoying the same civil privileges as Rome, the ancient Imperial City, should also have the same high rank as she has, in the affairs of the Church, while still remaining second after her.' We do not intend to enter into discussion on this question now, but one should nonetheless not forget an obvious fact: the present situation of Constantinople after the collapse of the Byzantine Empire does not justify constant recourse to this canon, and still less to an excessively broad interpretation of its meaning.
The inclusion within the jurisdiction of the Very Holy Church of Constantinople of new provinces other than those bordering on the original three dioceses, which has taken place in the course of history, is not, in our opinion, linked with Canon 28 of the Fourth Ecumenical Council. The reasons were entirely other. Thus the provinces mentioned by Your Holiness -- Illyria, Southern Italy and Sicily -- did not belong 'always' to the jurisdiction of the Patriarchate of Constantinople, but were taken by force from the Roman Church and given to the Church of Constantinople by the iconoclast Emperor Leo the Isaurian, without reference to Canon 28. One of the most important reasons for this action on the part of Leo the Isaurian was that the Church of Rome was opposed to the iconoclastic policies of the Byzantine Emperor, whose political power extended to those territories at that time.
As regards the Russian Church, she was initially subject to the Church of Constantinople not because of Canon 28 of the Fourth Ecumenical Council, but because of the general principle according to which converted peoples are subject to the Mother Church that had Christianised them, until they have acquired the conditions necessary for autocephaly. By becoming an autocephalous Church, the Russian Church received the same rights of mission beyond its canonical boundaries as the other local Orthodox Churches, since, as has been shown, the Holy Canons do not give precedence to any particular Church in the realisation of this right.
Such is the authentic pan-Orthodox tradition in this matter, and the Very Holy Church of Constantinople always respected it until the moment when Patriarch Meletios IV developed the theory of the subordination of the whole Orthodox diaspora to Constantinople. It is precisely this theory, which is clearly non-canonical, that is quite obviously 'hostile to the spirit of the Orthodox Church, to Orthodoxy unity, and to canonical order'. It is itself, in fact, the _expression of 'an expansionist tendency that is without canonical foundation and is unacceptable on an ecciesiological level'. By claiming a universal spiritual power, it does not correspond to the Orthodox canonical tradition or to the teaching of the Holy Fathers of the Church, and represents a direct challenge to Orthodox unity. In fact, there is no reason to agree with Your contention that the whole of the Orthodox diaspora does not finds itself under the spiritual jurisdiction of the Patriarchate of Constantinople solely because Constantinople 'tolerates this situation temporarily and for reasons of "economy".' This last _expression has particularly roused our incomprehension and disquiet, since it seems to point to an intention on the part of the Church of Constantinople to continue in the future to pursue a unilateral policy of expansion that is foreign to a spirit of brotherly love and conciliarity. In this respect, it is worthwhile recalling a judicious remark of Patriarch Diodoros of Jerusalem of blessed memory that is contained in his letter to Your Holiness (No. 480, dated 25 July 1993) to the effect that only a pan-Orthodox Council has the right to resolve the complex question of the diaspora. Neither the Orthodox Church of Romania nor the Orthodox Church of Poland shares the view put forward by Your Holiness of the problem of the diaspora. This is clear from the reports submitted by these Churches in 1990 to the Preparatory Commission for the Holy and Great Council.
Bearing in mind what has been said, we are completely justified in contesting the statement of Your Holiness to the effect that the Exarchate of Russian Parishes in Western Europe is 'one of the forms of pastoral care that is incumbent' upon the Church of Constantinople. The theory that this Exarchate is obliged to be subject to the jurisdiction of the Patriarchate of Constantinople is refuted by the very history of this ecclesiastical entity. We must remember that in the official documents of the Church of Constantinople concerning the status of the Russian parishes in Western Europe it is accepted that their Mother Church is the Russian Orthodox Church, and that the system of administration established for these parishes has a provisional character. There is no ambiguity concerning this in the Tomos of Patriarch Photios of 17 February 1931. Commenting on this document, Patriarch Photios himself wrote in a letter (No. 1428, 25 June 1931) to Metropolitan Sergii, Deputy Locum Tenens of the Patriarchal Throne, that 'the situation should remain in this provisional state until, with God's help, unity can be re-established with our Sister Church of Russia'. Similarly, His Holiness Patriarch Athenagoras, in a letter (No. 671, 22 November 1965) to Archbishop Georges of Eudokiada, mentioning the fact that 'the Church of Russia has freed itself of divisions, acquired an internal organisation and freedom of action in its affairs outside Russia', announces the suppression of the Exarchate of Russian Parishes in Western Europe, 'which had a provisional character', and recommends that it join itself to the Patriarchate of Moscow, 'which can and should always demonstrate and manifest its fatherly love for these parishes'. The fact that the Patriarchate of Constantinople received back into its jurisdiction this diocese of Russian parishes in 1971 does not change in any way the provisional character of the current situation of the Russian Archdiocese, since in its first paragraph the relevant Tomos refers back to the Tomos of Patriarch Photios. Thus the Church of Constantinople, in these official documents, has recognised unambiguously the right of the Archdiocese of Russian Parishes in Western Europe to reunite itself with the Mother Church -- the Russian Orthodox Church -- without this being the manifestation of 'an extremely secularised and erroneous spiritual state' or of 'an erroneous ethnic understanding'.
As regards the proposals of His Eminence Metropolitan Kirill of Smolensk and Kaliningrad made during his stay in Paris from 10-12 February 2001, this subject has already been touched upon in negotiations between delegations of the Patriarchate of Constantinople and Moscow in Zurich on 19 April 2001 and in a letter of Metropolitan Kirill to Metropolitan Meliton of Philadelphia (No. 2062, 17 July 2001). While travelling through Paris, His Eminence Metropolitan Kirill was invited by Archbishop Sergii of Eukarpia to a meeting of the Council of the Archdiocese. At this meeting, the hierarch of our Church made no specific proposals, and when he was asked how he saw the future of the Archdiocese, he presented the position of our Church, which has never been concealed and to which we are irrevocably attached.
This position is the following: the existence of an isolated group of Russian parishes in Europe is the result of the tragedy of the Russian people provoked by the Revolution. At the present, when the consequences of the Revolution have been overcome, the return of the parishes of the emigration to the bosom of the Patriarchate of Moscow would be completely normal. This desire for the restoration of the spiritual unity of our people is reflected in the declaration you have mentioned, which was made by the Holy Synod on 8 November 2000, where it is question of those children 'who live beyond the limits of the Russian State' (not 'outside the limits of the Russian Church', as is incorrectly stated in Your letter). We continue to be saddened to see that the legitimate and natural desire to bring together again our own people, who live dispersed for historical and political reasons, is the object of such harsh and unjust attacks on the part of the primate of a Church that has experienced a similar tragedy.
The question of the Orthodox diaspora is one of most important problems in inter-Orthodox relations. Given its complexity and the fact that it has not been sufficiently regularised, it has introduced serious complications in the relations between Churches and has without a doubt diminished the strength of Orthodox witness throughout the contemporary world. Nevertheless, we hope very much that the sustained efforts of the local Orthodox Churches will enable us in the end to find a pan-Orthodox solution to the problem at the Holy and Great Council of the Eastern Orthodox Church. The historical responsibility is all the greater for any actions directed against the achievement of an agreement pleasing to God on this key question.
This is why, for the true good both of Orthodoxy and the Church of Constantinople, which is dear to us for reasons stretching back over centuries, we call upon Your Holiness to follow the precepts of the Holy Fathers, expressed in Canon 8 of the Third Ecumenical council, to wit, 'that the canons of the Fathers not be infringed upon, and that worldly pride and power not slip in under the pretext of holy actions, and that we do not lose, bit by bit and without noticing it, the freedom that Jesus Christ our Lord, the Liberator of all men, has given us by his Blood.' Faithful to the tradition of the Holy Fathers, we ask earnestly and sincerely that Your Holiness renounce an attitude of mind that is an obstacle to the accord so ardently desired, and work hard for the speedy convocation of the Holy and Great Council.
We ask of God peace, health and length of life for Your Holiness, we salute You once again in brotherly fashion, and we continue to respect You and to love Your Holiness in Christ.
+ Alexis, Patriarch of Moscow and All Russia (1) Canon 28 of the Council of Chalcedon (AD 451) is discussed at length by Archbishop Peter L'Huillier in his book, The Church of the Ancient Councils (Crestwood, NY: St Vladimir's Seminary Press, 1996), pp. 267-296, where he reaches the same conclusions as the Patriarch (Ed.).
Sourozh, No. 99, February 2005, pp. 1-11 Priest Thomas
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Dear Fr. Thomas,
Thank you for a most enlightening post.
It seems odd that both Patriarchal sees (Constantinople and Moscow) would accuse each other beginning the process of selecting bishops and establishing ecclesial structures in the Americas on the basis of ethnicity when both have done so repeatedly before, during, and since the beginnings of ecclesial life in the Americas.
And, may I add, a most appropriate response to the needs of the Church in the Americas.
Of course, when one speaks so, one is often accused of "phyletism."
However, it is a practice that is not at all the point of the canon prohibiting phyletism, which seeks to prevent "division" of the Church on ethnic grounds.
This is a fine point, usually brushed aside by those hurling jibes back and forth, but a point that bears consideration.
When all of the bishops in a territory sit on the same synod, there is but one jurisdiction and all episcopal actions are accountable to the other bishops. In short the Church is fully unified.
It is fully the responsibility of the synod to organize itself and the ecclesial life of the Church, within canonical bounds, of course. And of course, exceptions to the canonical bounds can be made by the synod. After all, they are guided by the Holy Spirit.
The Russian Metropolia in North America had not only established diocesan structures for the Syrians, Serbians, and Albanians living amongst them, but had gone so far as to consecrate bishops, such as His Grace Rafael (Hawaweeny), to serve them (the Syrians). In 1918 or 1919, meeting in Cleveland, the Metropolia's All-American council nominated a Serbian priest and an Albanian priest for consecration as bishops to serve those dioceses. The nominations were forwarded to Moscow, but not decided upon due to the Revolution.
Such was +St. Tikhon's plan, that the various groups would organize themselves according to the equally-valid the traditions that each had brought to the Americas, but with all of the bishops sitting together in love on the same Synod.
What more evidence do we need to see than this? Neither "side" started it, both sides have always organized the Church here along ethnic lines, where appropriate.
If one wanted to summarize my argument, one could say that within the canons and jurisdictional unity, all things are possible.
It is my hope that the model provided by SCOBA will someday prove that to be correct.
With love in Christ, Andrew
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Dear Memo, Good point - I think everyone is. But Americans seem to think they are cosmopolitan. Unless, of course, you go South . . . What was the caption I once read in New Orleans? "American by birth - Southern by the Grace of God!" Alejandro
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