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Re: Recent interview with Fr. Taft [Re: BenjaminRH] #394356
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Originally Posted by BenjaminRH
Is it not the mission of the sui iuris Eastern churches to disappear?

Perhaps, perhaps not. What's more important for me is that it isn't our mission to get Orthodox to switch sides:

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Pastoral activity in the Catholic Church, Latin as well as Eastern, no longer aims at having the faithful of one Church pass over to the other

Re: Recent interview with Fr. Taft [Re: Peter J] #394365
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Is it not the mission of the sui iuris Eastern churches to disappear?

Perhaps, perhaps not. What's more important for me is that it isn't our mission to get Orthodox to switch sides:

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Pastoral activity in the Catholic Church, Latin as well as Eastern, no longer aims at having the faithful of one Church pass over to the other

and whom are you quoting?

Re: Recent interview with Fr. Taft [Re: BenjaminRH] #394366
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Christ is risen!
Originally Posted by BenjaminRH
Some questions, as someone sitting on the fence between Orthodoxy and Catholicism:

1. If Rome was always Supreme, did the early Bishops of Rome appoint the bishops of other dioceses?

2. Why were early councils called by and presided over other bishops (such as the Council of Jerusalem), instead of the Bishop/Pope of Rome? Why did emperors like Constantine convene councils, instead of the Roman Pope?

1. No. They did try on occasion, but were rebuffed.
2. I'll someone who subscribes to Pastor Aeternus try to answer this one.

Re: Recent interview with Fr. Taft [Re: IAlmisry] #394371
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Originally Posted by IAlmisry
Christ is risen!
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Originally Posted by BenjaminRH
Is it not the mission of the sui iuris Eastern churches to disappear?

Perhaps, perhaps not. What's more important for me is that it isn't our mission to get Orthodox to switch sides:

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Pastoral activity in the Catholic Church, Latin as well as Eastern, no longer aims at having the faithful of one Church pass over to the other

and whom are you quoting?


Good point. I meant to say that's from the Balamand Statement.

Re: Recent interview with Fr. Taft [Re: Peter J] #394374
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I agree Peter; the difference between the Orthodox and Rome is not similar to that of Baptists and Rome. Baptists, Mormons, etc. must actually come over to the one Church of Christ.

Re: Recent interview with Fr. Taft [Re: Peter J] #394382
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Originally Posted by Peter J
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Christ is risen!
Originally Posted by Peter J
Originally Posted by BenjaminRH
Is it not the mission of the sui iuris Eastern churches to disappear?

Perhaps, perhaps not. What's more important for me is that it isn't our mission to get Orthodox to switch sides:

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Pastoral activity in the Catholic Church, Latin as well as Eastern, no longer aims at having the faithful of one Church pass over to the other

and whom are you quoting?


Good point. I meant to say that's from the Balamand Statement.

'Nuf said.

Re: Recent interview with Fr. Taft [Re: IAlmisry] #394386
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Originally Posted by IAlmisry
Originally Posted by Peter J
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Christ is risen!
Originally Posted by Peter J
Perhaps, perhaps not. What's more important for me is that it isn't our mission to get Orthodox to switch sides:

Pastoral activity in the Catholic Church, Latin as well as Eastern, no longer aims at having the faithful of one Church pass over to the other
and whom are you quoting?
Good point. I meant to say that's from the Balamand Statement.
'Nuf said.


Thanks smile I try.

Re: Recent interview with Fr. Taft [Re: Peter J] #394392
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I just happened to notice that Fr. Taft's interview has now been published at pravoslavie.ru. They seem to have also edited out his comments on Orthodox traditionalists.

http://www.pravoslavie.ru/english/61580.htm


Re: Recent interview with Fr. Taft [Re: Jaya] #394401
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Catholicism and Orthodoxy: relativistic crap ecumenism.

Branch-theory nonsense, or no wonder 'ecumenist' is a fightin' word among online Orthodox.

Re: Recent interview with Fr. Taft [Re: The young fogey] #394402
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Originally Posted by The young fogey
Catholicism and Orthodoxy: relativistic crap ecumenism.

Branch-theory nonsense, or no wonder 'ecumenist' is a fightin' word among online Orthodox.


If Taft's views represent branch-theory nonsense, then I must say that the 'branch-theory' really is nonsense, that is it is meaningless as a descriptive or diagnostic term.

I do not mean to deny the danger of relativism, nor to embrace it myself, but this term is thrown around so indiscriminately that it sometimes seems to rule out any attempt to work for unity among divided Christians as relativism.


Re: Recent interview with Fr. Taft [Re: The young fogey] #394405
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To be fair, I think it's an improvement over the Union of Brest. As a matter of fact, it's what the Union of Brest was going to be, supposedly.

Re: Recent interview with Fr. Taft [Re: Jaya] #394406
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Sergei long ago became reflexively reactionary, which is a shame. The world has quite enough Father Vasily Vasileviches as it is, and not nearly enough people who venerate Tradition as the living faith of the dead. The difference between Taft and his critics is Taft knows the history of the division, and thus has been liberated from the stultifying polemics of the past thousand years.

Re: Recent interview with Fr. Taft [Re: BenjaminRH] #394410
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Originally Posted by BenjaminRH
Is it not the mission of the sui iuris Eastern churches to disappear? I don't mean that rudely, but won't the Eastern Catholic Churches "melt" into the Orthodox Church when there is true unity again?


Eventually, God willing, there will be no Eastern Catholic Churches which are out of Communion with the Eastern Orthodox Churches. But we aren't close to that point. It would be cruel and unwise to make them pawns; liquidation of the EC at this time should not be a discussion topic. The Communists tried liquidation and failed.

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Originally Posted by Paul B
Originally Posted by BenjaminRH
Is it not the mission of the sui iuris Eastern churches to disappear? I don't mean that rudely, but won't the Eastern Catholic Churches "melt" into the Orthodox Church when there is true unity again?


Eventually, God willing, there will be no Eastern Catholic Churches which are out of Communion with the Eastern Orthodox Churches. But we aren't close to that point. It would be cruel and unwise to make them pawns; liquidation of the EC at this time should not be a discussion topic. The Communists tried liquidation and failed.
oh? any more than the various "unions" failed for Old Rome to liquidate the Orthodox?

Re: Recent interview with Fr. Taft [Re: Jaya] #394413
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It must be good to be able to wallow in one's own rectitude.

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