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#10050 05/10/06 02:50 PM
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http://www.russianorthodoxchurch.ws/synod/indexeng.htm

Should be interesting...prayers for all.
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Dear Father Deacon Diak,

Thank you for the link.

I find it interesting that comparative parallels between the Old Believers and Niconians are being used:

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Protopriest Pimen Simon, Rector of the Old Believers' parish of ROCOR in Erie, PA, then spoke. Fr Pimen said in part:

"First of all I am not advocating union with the Moscow Patriarchate now. I understand that those who have represented our Church in these negotiations with the Moscow Patriarchate deeply love ROCOR and know the circumstances and delicacies that will lead us to one recommendation or another. And as I indicated in my open letter after Vladyka Daniel�s interviews, my parish and I will remain faithful to the bishops of ROCOR to whom we united ourselves in 1983. But either now or later we must face the issue if there is to be reconciliation with the Moscow Patriarchate Church.

"My reason for requesting the opportunity to address this conference is because I have constantly noted the ironic parallel between the attempt to accomplish reconciliation between ROCOR and the MP to the attempts to reconcile Old Believers to, how shall I say, 'Niconians.'
The full article is here:

http://www.russianorthodoxchurch.ws/synod/eng2006/5ensoborday3.html

I find this to be a very deep and beautiful message:

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Priest Victor Boldewskul of Epiphany Church in Boston noted that today's children of the Russian Church are poorly informed on the history of the Church and forget that the Holy Fathers always healed schism with love. We must do likewise.
I wish everyone well and pray the Holy Spirit guides all with love!

In Christ,

Michael

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It's official!

The ROCOR has unanimously resolved to heal the schism with the ROC! smile

ROCOR Resolution [russianorthodoxchurch.ws]

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This is truly wonderful news.

"For peace in the whole world, for the stability of the holy churches of God, and for the unity of all, let us pray to the Lord."

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If you read closely you'll see you might want to keep the champange on ice for just a little longer.

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Sounds good to me! As to the champagne, I already have a bottle on ice, but since today is Friday, it can stay on ice until Sunday, anyway. But keeping pyrohy (of any denomination) on ice strikes me as odd - they're much better eaten hot.

The part about the World Council of Churches is not new - and heaven knows that there are plenty of people in the Moscow Patriarchate and the rest of the Orthodox world who don't care for the World Council of Churches either.

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encouraging, very encouraging. now, if they will only let Russian Catholics partake of the Holy Mysteries in their churches. wonder if the OCAs are paying attention to these new developments in the Russian Orthodox community.
Much Love,
Jonn

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This sounds marvelous indeed! I know very little about this topic, and so I have a question. It seems now that the ROCOR is willing to work towards unity with the MP. How strong is the MP's commitment to reciprocate? Thank you.

Alex

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Father,
Yes, Pierogies of the True Faith, Byzantine Pierogies and Orthodox Pierogies all taste so much better warm.
So, what wine goes good with some hand rolled pirohi? I'm thinking a white wine...

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To resolve the cold pierohy controversy:
I know of a local barmaid here in Pittsburgh who is working on pierohy shots -- putting sweet fruits in the dough with vodka or something. Then you just swallow it down!

Pittsburghers can be an odd bunch.

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from: http://www.russianorthodoxchurch.ws/synod/eng2006/5ensoborday3.html

"World War II brought the Serbian Church more and more horrifying tribulations. Many bishops and priests suffered. Fascist Uniates in Jasinovica executed 800,000 Serbs. At the same time, Communists killed 115 clergymen of the Serbian Orthodox Church."

Anyone care to comment/enlighten us about on this quote from the above linked article?

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Please provide references to support the statement that facist "Uniates" were responsible for deaths in that Camps which was run by the Croatian government of the day according to all I can find on the net. Croations if they have religion tend to be RCs.

As for the vile acts that the different ethnic groups did to each other in that region. They were truly terrible but they had been doing such things to each other like this for a very long time.

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Dear Pavel,

The source of the "Facist Uniate" comment is His Eminence Metropolitan Amphilohije. He has not provided any further footnotes other than this statement at the All-Diaspora Council.

Michael

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Dear Pavel,

The source of the "Facist Uniate" comment is His Eminence Metropolitan Amphilohije. He has not provided any further footnotes other than this statement at the All-Diaspora Council.

Michael
As only ROCOR member here (that I know of!) I will add that I am confused at Vladika Amfiloge's commnent. I am sure that he was referring to Croatian Ustachie attempt to destroy the Serbian people, but Ustachie were Roman Rite to a man, and would not have distinguished between Eastern Catholic and Orthodox when their finger was on trigger. I will ask the next time I am at Synod.

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The Croatian Fascists made it crystal clear that they would not even permit the Serbs who had the misfortune to be in their grasp to join the Greek-Catholic Church - because that would have preserved what the Croatian Fascists were determined to destroy.

"All have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God", as the Bible teaches. Point out the real offences of the Greek-Catholics and that may lead to repentance and correction. Accuse us falsely, however, and that can only lead us into the temptation of pride, and contempt for those who thus ignore historical truth.

My prayers continue to be with the Sobor in San Francisco and the pious effort to reach the desired reconciliation.

Incognitus

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