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Since we share almost identical ritual practices, I think this letter by Fr John Matusiak regarding the assunmption that Orthodox & Roman Catholics are not considered as 'bible believing Christians' is excellent. I applaud this answer. Perhaps a letter from the Roman Catholic side should be sent also?
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Subject: Fr John's letter to editor of Citizen Magazine Date: Sat, Aug 11, 2001 12:42 AM From: T254 Message-id: <20010811004213.21455.00001901@mb-mr.aol.com>
Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2001 19:08:53 -0500 To: citizeneditor@family.org From: John Matusiak <tocmed@gateway.net> Subject: Letter to the Editor of Citizen Magazine
BY E-MAIL
Mr. Tom Hess, Editor Citizen Magazine 8605 Explorer Drive Colorado Springs, CO 80920-10151
Dear Mr. Hess,
It has been brought to our attention by numerous Orthodox Christians across North America that in the September 2001 issue of Focus on the Family's Citizen Magazine [Volume 5, Number 9] there appears an editorial titled "Face to Face with the Persecuted Church" which details the difficult situation experienced by Christians in Jordan. The editorial accurately states that, while the majority of Jordan's citizens are Muslim, the nation also possesses sizeable Greek Orthodox and Roman Catholic communities. Having shared this information, the author goes on to state that some 3,000 Jordanians are "Bible-believing Christians."
Given the fact that there are some 200,000 Orthodox Christians alone in Jordan -- unfortunately I do not know the number of Roman Catholics in that nation -- the author clearly implies that neither Orthodox Christianity, nor Roman Catholicism, are "Bible-believing."
While I cannot speak for Roman Catholicism, I can state that Orthodox Christians believe that the Bible is the inspired and revealed word of God, and that Orthodox Christians make extensive use of Scripture in worship and prayer and private study. For example, the Eucharistic Liturgy of the Orthodox Church contains hundreds of Scripture passages. Entire psalms are sung, as are portions of the Old and New Testaments. At least two readings from the Gospels and the Epistles -- often four or six readings are prescribed -- are proclaimed at every Liturgy. The Liturgy also features a homily, during which the preacher urges the faithful to put into practice the appointed Scripture readings in their daily lives. The other services of the Orthodox Church -- Vespers, Matins, the Hours, Compline, etc. -- are filled with the chanting of psalms, readings from the Old and New Testaments, and the like. Several Scriptural readings are appointed for every day of the year. Orthodox Christian monastics chant the entire Book of Psalms weekly, in addition to proclaiming the daily readings during communal worship. On Good Friday, the entire Acts of the Apostles is commonly read as the faithful often spend the entire night keeping vigil in anticipation of the Resurrection of Christ. The following morning, in addition to the usual psalms and Scripture readings, the Liturgy also includes 15 Old Testament readings. Even at the time of an Orthodox Christian's death, the ancient practice of reading Acts and other entire books of the Bible continuously during the days and hours leading up to the funeral service is still observed in many places, even in North America.
Scripture is also at the heart of Orthodox Christian spirituality and life. In addition to the observance of the Ten Commandments, Orthodox Christian spirituality revolves around putting the Great Commandments of Jesus Christ -- to love God, love others, and love oneself, "upon which hinge all of the prophets and the Law" -- into action at all times. The Beatitudes -- the very words of Christ Himself -- are among the countless Biblical precepts by which Orthodox Christians strive to live. Our understanding of salvation, Christology, eschatology, ecclesiology, fasting, almsgiving, discipleship, stewardship, ministry, evangelism, prayer, and countless other facets of Christian life are, in every instance, Bible-based. Every aspect of Orthodox Christian Tradition has been, and continues to be, touched by Scripture. Scripture is taught in our Sunday Schools and Vacation Bible Schools, in our adult education programs, and in our youth programs and ministries. The Biblical commentaries and Scripture-based homilies of the early Orthodox Christian writers -- John Chrysostom, Basil the Great, Gregory the Theologian, to mention a few -- continue to help Orthodox Christians understand the inspired and divinely revealed word of God. And I dare say that, hundreds of years before Protestantism made its appearance, it was precisely Orthodox Christianity which was responsible for determining the Canon of Scripture and which defended Scriptural teachings concerning Jesus Christ, the Trinity, and other crucial, Bible-based doctrines in the face of Gnosticism, Montanism, and a host of heresies much too long to list. It was also Orthodox Christianity which battled valiantly to expose uninspired "Scripture," such as the so-called "Gospel of Saint Thomas," and other less-than-orthodox writings which had enjoyed wide circulation in the early Christian communities.
With this in mind, one should not be surprised that Orthodox Christians might wonder whether the editorial's author, not to mention the staff of Focus on the Family and Citizen Magazine, made an innocent mathematical, typographical, or statistical error or whether, in fact, there was an intentional desire to place Orthodox Christianity, as well as Roman Catholicism, outside the boundaries of "Bible-believing" Christianity. If the latter was indeed the author's intention, then it her duty to inform the millions of Orthodox Christians in North America as to exactly what, if not the divinely-inspired word of God and the Saviour and Living Word revealed therein, they have been basing their faith on during these past 2000 years.
Respectfully yours, The Reverend John Matusiak Director, Orthodox Church in America Office of Communications Managing Editor, The Orthodox Church newspaper
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Excellent! I think that it would be great if someone with some clout from the Byzantine Catholic Tradition would respond as well. I can think of several on this Forum who might be just the one to make such a response.
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Indeed, excellent. The broad evangelical world's thinking behind the phrase "Bible believing" indeed is "Bible-minus-Tradition" Christianity; until fundamentalists and biblical literalists can be disabused of the old "Bible VS. Tradition" dichotomy in their way of thinking, Catholics and Orthodox will continue to be dismissed as (non)Bible believers. Tragic.
Just an ordinary fool.
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Good letter. It's good to correct errors like this quickly, where they occur. Protestants are prone to misrepresenting other traditions. I've also seen some pretty bad characterizations by Latins as well. Speaking of that, I'm on the mailing list of Christian History magazine, a segment of Christianity Today. The Protestant editor wrote an article this month titled Divided By Communion, of which I received an e-mail notification. An excerpt - Orthodox churches administer Communion in bread and wine, and in a unique manner. The bread rests on a round plate and the wine in a chalice, but communicants receive the elements on a liturgical spoon. One piece of consecrated bread is put into the chalice with a cup of hot water, symbolizing the reunification of body and spirit in the risen Christ. After Communion, sometimes members of the congregation are allowed to take some of the bread and wine, a practice that would be forbidden in Catholic churches and frowned upon in most Protestant churches as well. http://www.christianitytoday.com/history/newsletter/2001/aug10.html No kidding??? I sent back an e-mail right away explaining how his (her?) statements are misleading at best, if not downright wrong. He (she) responded and said it would be noted in the print edition. Loukas
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Dear Friends,
I know Fr. John Matusiak and he is ALWAYS excellent!
A Bible-believing Christian friend of mine once told me that "Sola Scriptura" is taught by the Bible.
When I asked him where it says that, he couldn't respond.
I then pounced, er, gently responded by saying that obviously this doctrine is based on a nonscriptural tradition.
Then we got on to the topic of how the books of the Bible were developed . . .
A nun who is a convert from Protestantism once told me that, "Protestants know what the Bible says. Catholics/Orthodox know what the Bible means."
Alex
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Contained below is a copy of a letter received and forwarded by an Orthodox friend of mine. It contains the reaction of the editor of Citizens magazine to a request for a retraction of the implication that both Orthodox and Roman Catholics are not 'Bible believing christians'. Perhaps it's time for us all ( Roman Catholics included) to start a letter writing campaign. Especially since he claims he will print all letters.
Bob
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Three Hierarchs Church Rev. George J. Pyle, Presbyter 2010 Three Hierarchs Court ~ Champaign, IL 61820 Phone 217 352-3452 ~ Fax 217 352-7289 ~ Email geopyle@aol.com
To: Orthodox Christians From: Fr. George Pyle, Presbyter August 10, 2001 Subject: Janet Parshall� �s editorial in Focus on the Family� �s, Citizen Magazine. Volume 5, Number 9, September 2001, page 31.
Glory be to Jesus Christ!
I am sorry to have to write this letter, and to communicate it to you in this form, but time is of the essence. My wife alerted me to a paragraph in the above mentioned editorial (noted above) that I feel is offensive to the Orthodox Christian Church. I called my concern to Tom Hess, the editor of the Magazine, and while he did offer his apologies for my being offended, he did not feel he had offended the Orthodox Church, nor would he agree to print a retraction.
In her editorial, � �Face to Face with the persecuted Church,� Janet describes the plight of Christians in Jordan. She says in her description, and I quote: � �The majority of Jordan� �s population is Muslim. and each citizen has an identification card that includes a mark after his name: � �M� for Muslim and � �C� for Christian. The � �C� almost always represents members of the Greek Orthodox or Roman Catholic churches, who are considered Christian because they were born into non-Muslim families. But about 3,000 Jordanians are Bible-believing Christians.�
Ms. Parshall� �s implication is clear, Orthodox Christians, and for that matter Roman Catholic Christians are not � �Bible-believing.� When I confronted the Editor of Citizen with this point of offensive error, he blatantly told me he would never issue a retraction. I told him that the Gospel teaches us that when we have been wronged to first go to our brother in private; then if he does not repent to go to the Church. I told him that I was going to the church. In a smug, and condescending response he said, � �Go for it.� And so I am. Please take this opportunity to communicate with him and express your reaction to this. Mr. Hess said that he would gladly print all letters that are sent.
You may contact him at Mr. Tom Hess, Editor Citizen Magazine 8605 Explorer Drive Colorado Springs, CO 80920-10151 or you may email him at citizeneditor@family.org, or you can call him at (719) 531-3400.
He needs to hear the truth about the Orthodox Christian Church, please contact him today.
Sincerely, Fr. George
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I finally figured out that Catholics/Orthodox are not Bible-based Churches, but that the Bible is a Catholic/Orthodox-based book.
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Dear Philothea,
Excellent point!
There are numerous quotes in the New Testament referring to unwritten Old Testament Hebrew traditions that were accepted as valid by Christ and the Apostles (e.g. the Seat of Moses, the taking of the body of Moses by St Michael etc.)
Christ and the Apostles believed in unwritten Tradition. To be a "Bible-believing Christian" is to do the same.
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SUCCESS!
The following email was received by one of those who sent a letter of complaint to the editor. Wonder why he didn't reply to mine? Oh well! Looks like both Orthodox and Roman Catholics wrote in. Good! Even though it's hard for me to believe that out of 200,000 Orthodox and probably the same amount of Roman Catholics only a combined total of 3,000 are practicing Bible believing Christians. That's amost as insulting as the first slur!
Bob
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>From: "Citizen Editor" <Citizeneditor@fotf.org> >To: <johnailakis@hotmail.com> >Subject: Re: Editorial comment >Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 16:41:20 -0600 > >Dear Mr. Ailakis: > >I write in place of Citizen editor Tom Hess, who is travelling on business >but felt it important to address your concerns (and those expressed by many >others who've written to us) before he returns. You should know that he has >read and approved the following comments. > >We believe we owe Greek Orthodox and Roman Catholic readers an apology. >Although neither Citizen nor Janet Parshall intended to imply that they are >not Christians, upon reflection and discussion we can see why many readers >took it that way. > >Mrs. Parshall wrote that the Jordanian government identified people as >either Muslims or Christians based on their birth into families, regardless >of whether or not they were practicing Christians. In referring to >"Bible-believing Christians," she meant (and we on the editorial staff read >it the same way) to distinguish between those who were actively, >religiously observant (despite governmental harassment) and those who were >simply born into families officially labeled Christian. > >We asked Mrs. Parshall her source for the number 3,000 and she told us that >she'd heard it from several Christian ministries, as well as from a >reporter knowledgeable about the area. She assured us that number included >Greek Orthodox and Roman Catholic believers, and spoke to us of being >impressed with their vibrant faith communities. > >We intend to print a clarification of our position in our November issue >(cover date; the first copies will land in mailboxes in early to >mid-October). > >God's blessings to you, > >Matt Kaufman >Associate Editor >Citizen
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Dear Friends,
Might I take this thread a little further?
What is the best way to read the Bible in the Orthodox and Catholic traditions?
I'm wondering about a liturgical context, an interpretative framework and how one would apply what one reads in one's daily life.
A Desert Father once wrote that if we practice inner purity, the words of the Bible will become understandable and obvious, without the need for commentaries.
Your thoughts and suggestions?
Alex
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Robert,
Congratulations on the success. You have provided another way in which Eastern and Western Catholics and Orthodox Catholics could (and did) work to share the Faith with those who apparently do not know that we are Christians who treasure the Bible.
I truly believe that these "little steps" place us firmly on the road to the unity prayed for by the Master of us all.
Thank you!
JOY!
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