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Dear Cyril,

Actually, the 63 Hail Mary's had numerous mysteries attached to them, but the original was based on the 63 Hail Mary Rosary of Schrocken in the Vorarlberg Alps - which is still recited there to this day.

What they do is add some words to the "Jesus" in the Hail Mary - and Byzantines can add this after "Christ the Saviour" in theirs:

First decade

Who chose you from eternity
who created you in holiness
who made you full of Grace
who brought you to the Temple in your 3rd year
who blessed your consecrated virginity
who gave you in marriage to the Righteous Joseph
who sent the Angel Gabriel to you
who overshadowed you with His Holy Spirit
who led you to assist Elizabeth your cousin
who revealed your unsullied virginity to St Joseph

Second Decade

who was born of you
whose coming was announced to shepherds by angels
who was named "Jesus" on the 8th day
who was worshipped by Wisemen from the East
with whom you came to the Temple
who was praised and glorified by Simeon
with whom you fled into Egypt
whom you did seek as lost
whom you found in the Temple after 3 days
who was subject to you

Third Decade

who was baptized by John
on whom the Holy Spirit descended
whom God the Father proclaimed to be His well-beloved Son
who fasted for 40 days and nights in the desert
who was tempted by satan
who chose His Apostles and Disciples
who was called sinners to repentance
who performed great miracles
who prophesied the future
who gloriously entered into Jerusalem

Fourth Decade

who sat down with His disciples to eat the Passover
who washed the fee of His disciples
who established the Holy Eucharist
who went with His disciples to the Mount of Olives
who prayd three hours unto the shedding of His Blood
who was ministered to by an angel
who was betrayed by Judas and arrested by a mob
who was taken to Annas and Caiaphas
who was denied by Peter
who moved Peter to remorse and tears

Fifth Decade

who was falsely accused by Pilate and Herod
who was dressed by Herod in a white robe
who was scourged
who was crowned with thorns
whose cruel death the crowd demanded
who, though innocent, was condemned to death
who carried His Cross
who fell three times beneath His Cross
who was stripped and nailed to the Cross
who died on the Cross

Sixth Decade

who triumphantly rose from the dead
who appeared to His disciples
who made them His Apostles
who made Peter the head of His Church
who gloriously ascended into Heaven
who sent us His Holy Spirit
who sent His Apostles into the whole world
who took you, O Most Holy Virgin, to heaven
who crowned you as Queen of heaven and earth
who will come again to judge the living and the dead

Seventh Part

whom we ask you to pray to revealt to us His Word
whom we ask you to pray to help us keep His Word in our hearts
whom we pray to grant us all Grace.

The 63 Hail Mary's are for the years the Theotokos lived on earth (there are other numbers). And the seven Our Father's are for her seven joys and sorrows.

The original rosary of Schrocken has no Our Father's but the 63 Hail Mary's with the above additions were recited continuously.

There is also a rosary of the 15 Joys of the Mother of God:

Christ's coming to save us

Annunciation

Visitation

Magnificat

Nativity of Christ

Visit of the Shepherds

Adoration of the Magi

Meeting in the Temple

Finding in the Temple

Miracle at Cana in Galilee

Feeding of the masses with bread and fish

Suffering the Cross and Death for our salvation

Resurrection

Ascension

Assumption of Mary and her Coronation


Cheers,

Alex

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Dear Peter,

Yes, I think the Orthodox want EC's to be more autonomous so as to make the temptation to rejoin their Mother Orthodox Churches ever more emphatic! smile
Alex, I'm afraid your logic again manages to escape me.

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Dear Alex,

I've been looking over earlier parts of the conversation, and I'm becoming more and more convinced that either you are or I am confused about what has been said here and by whom.

In particular, in each of the following posts you seemed to think that you were paraphrasing something I had said. (Perhaps you had me confused with someone else?)


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Dear Peter,

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The Orthodox, I will agree, are sending mixed messages on this matter. On the one hand, the Orthodox have always told Rome to give the Eastern Catholic Churches full autonomy to "be who they are" and the like.
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I see your point, however.

IF the Orthodox Church is so "anti-uniate," what is it doing giving advice to Rome on the EC Churches autonomy et al. And what is the ROC doing criticizing Rome today for not keeping a tighter reign on the UGCC?
What I'd like to know is, when you said "I will agree ..." and "I see your point" were you alluding to me (as it would appear) and hence intending to ascribe those ideas to me?

And, if so, where exactly did I express those ideas?

Or, if not, what exactly did you mean?

And, if I might be so bold, perhaps you could be a little more careful in the future not to attribute anything to me unless you are certain that I said it? Not only does it hinder the conversation, but it leaves me feeling a bit manipulated.

-Peter.

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Dear Peter,

Sorry, Sir, I did not mean to manipulate you or anyone . . . frown

Do you like the above 63 Hail Mary Rosary?

Alex

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Originally posted by Orthodox Catholic:
Dear Peter,

Sorry, Sir, I did not mean to manipulate you or anyone . . . frown
I suspected as much, actually. wink

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Do you like the above 63 Hail Mary Rosary?
Absolutely.

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P.S. Now that I've answered your question, feel free to answer mine, i.e.

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What I'd like to know is, when you said "I will agree ..." and "I see your point" were you alluding to me (as it would appear) and hence intending to ascribe those ideas to me?
Thanks and many years,
Peter.

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