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Neill,
Peace, my brother, peace!

"the good Lord made me a good cow" -Sharon
Sharon-
A while ago near here a local dairy began advertising its ice cream as "made with organic Amish milk."
This led me to wonder how many Amish women they had to milk to get a gallon of ice cream. OR when the Amish had started baptizing their cows!
And hey, nice meeting you a couple weeks back; you cantor beautifully.
-Daniel

Daniel,

not to be "nit picky" , but "cantor" is not a verb, but a noun. Although some people may "cant", "cant" is not the appropriate verb to describe the action of a cantor. The proper verb form is "chant". Thus your comment should be rendered, "and hey, nice meeting you a couple of weeks ago; you chant beautifully."

Although, I personally have not heard Sharon chant,and I understand she can, a personal friend wholeheartedly states,"she does chant so beautifully, that I'd imagine this cantor chants cants beautifully as well."

Lawyers can lawyer, doctors can doctor and cantors can cantor.

Cantors don't just chant, the lead chanters.

English is a remarkably flexible language, which is one of the reasons why it's dominant in the world.

--tim

hehe - over here our Cantors ' cant '

Isn't this common language that we speak truly fascinating in all its variations

Anhelyna

Yes, English (the American version, that is, ) is the dominant language in the world, as every Tom, Jose, Ivan, and Abdul tries hard to be his second language!

However, I think Chinese (Mandarin) has the most number of speakers and Espanol comes second.

Amado

HAH!

So the following refers to cantors on your side of the pond:

Cantor Carl can't chant Catholic chants, but Cantor Carl can cant Catholic chants. :p

Tim,

I am going to repectively disagree with you. I had this same discussion with my daughter who is a senior in high school, and enrolled in English IV AP. Her instructor, who is refered to as "Doctor" Conway, corrected her recent essay in which she used "cantor" as a verb. Doctor Conway referred my daughter to the dictionary. "Cantor" is not listed as a verb.

How many chants can't a cantorka chant if a cantor can't chant or cantor?


And Daniel,
"youse guys" have killer acoustics. Sigh. My parish has carpet and [*choke*] padded pews. (Mebbe if we ripped them out we wouldn't need our $20 sound system......)


Sharon

cant n. 1. Wheedling speech. 2. Discourse recited mechanically. 3. Hypocritically pious language. 4. The special vocabulary peculiar to members of a group. - v. 1. To speak in a whining, pleading tone. 2. To speak sententiously; moralize. [prob < NF, singing jargon.] cantingly adv.

The American Heritage Dictionary of the English Language.

The above means probably from Norman French.

This was on the web:


On Gluten-free Communion Breads

The question of using gluten-free Communion hosts has been raised recently in the United States and Australia by those suffering from a gluten intolerance known as celiac sprue disease.

In the Diocese of Trenton, New Jersey, and in Sydney, two families with members who have celiac say they will appeal to the Vatican in order to receive Communion hosts made of something other than wheat.

Officials at the Vatican said this week that the case of Communion for those with gluten-intolerance has already been addressed in several instructions from the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith and that those suffering from celiac disease can partake of a valid Communion by receiving only the Precious Blood.

The relevant canons on the question fall under the section "The Rites and Ceremonies of the Eucharistic Celebration," particularly:

Canon 924:2 -- The bread must be only wheat and recently made so that there is no danger of spoiling.

Canon 925 -- Holy communion is to be given under the form of bread alone, or under both species according to the norm of liturgical laws, or even under the form of wine alone in a case of necessity.

Canon 926 -- According to the ancient tradition of the Latin Church the priest is to use unleavened bread in the eucharistic celebration whenever he offers it.

The doctrinal congregation has further issued several instructions on the question including a June 4, 1979, letter to the U.S. bishops' conference on the nature and matter of the Eucharistic bread; an Oct. 29, 1982, response on Communion of the faithful under only the species of wine; and a June 19, 1995, letter to presidents of episcopal conferences on the use of bread with small quantities of gluten.

The above instructions say that:

a) The "matter" of the Eucharistic host must be bread since this is what Christ instituted at the Last Supper. Bread, by definition, must contain some gluten.

b) Jesus is the same under both species. In the case where one cannot eat the Communion host, receiving the Precious Blood alone can be considered a valid Communion.

It will seem intransigent to some that only bread can be used for the Communion host. But Vatican officials stress that this is not an administrative question but a doctrinal one.

Further, it is a doctrinal question that concerns the sacraments, and the Church, officials note, does not have the authority to change the substance of the sacraments.

At least I didn't say she cantered well...giddyup!

I know this is an older thread, but I found this case very interesting. Why? Because when I received First Communnion, back in 1967, in California, they ran out of consecrated hosts, and so I had first communnion without receiving a host of ANY kind! I wonder where that puts me?

I have recently read of a Catholic women's order that has a patent on the only extremely-low gluten altar bread that the Church has accepted as valid matter for the Eucharist. It has such a small trace of gluten that it causes no reaction whatsoever in those with this disease. It has also been tested in clinical trials by medical professionals.

Did I see a link on this thread?

BOB

Bob,

I think there was one on a thread back when this issue arose in MA last year. Here's a news article on it:

Benedictine Nuns Discover Way To Produce Low Gluten Hosts [georgiabulletin.org]

Many years,

Neil