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Peace everyone,

I was bouncing around the UGCC's website and found this comment regarding its history with Rome:

http://www.ugcc.org.ua/eng/ugcc_history/history/

I didn't not know the Ukrainian Church under its former aspect of the Kyivan Church never broke from communion with Rome--or at least those in western Ukraine. Is this accurate?

Thanks!

Dear Dr. Roman,

Where are you?

Your posts are truly missed.

Wishing you every blessing,
Bill

Welcome back, Dr. Roman!

There were other Metroplitans of Kiev at the same time and non of them in the city of Kiev.

The Metropolia of Kiev based in the Grand Duchy of Lithuania negotiated a union with the Catholics because they were not in such a union. None of them were already in union in any part of the Metropolia as it makes no sense of them negotiating a union if they were already in on.

To the presents days our ukrainian catholic church has not her own Patriarchate ,
church who was persecuted and her people during XX century and before,
Hope and pray Rome will do it soon

Dear rcguest,

Laudetur Ihesus Christus!

In aeternam, Amen!

Alex

More important than this is when is the UGCC going to start taking the gospel to other nations?

What is the UGCC doing in their own country to support people with HIV/Aids? Ukraine has a huge problem with HIV/Aids.

What is the church doing about the huge trafffic in Ukrainian women and youth for the international sex industry?

This to me is much more important that collecting titles, like soviet generals collected medals (when there was not even a war on).

Dear Pavel,

Very good points!

I don't think anyone can control the trade of women who voluntarily go for the "trade" in the hopes of financial rewards.

But it is true that the Ukrainian diaspora especially focuses more on Chornobyl than on the much more pernicious HIV/AIDS scourge in Ukraine.

Alex

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I think it is safe to say that the trade is not one of volunteers but that of sex slaves, bought and sold and murdered, or abandonded when they are inconvenient. Some are forced to do drugs to they can stay awake and service more clients. The trade from Ukraine is quiet lucrative. Some are forced to have unprotected sex are dumped in strange lands when they are found to be unwell. This is not a job one signs up for.

You are right the diaspora is not really aware of this and yet it is old news. I think that a lot of the nationalist stuff promoted by the church in the past was to unite people in being not anti soviet but anti Russian. That was the focus in my view for so long it is hard to re focus and put that on internal matters. It's like political parties who are in oppositon fora long time they just criticise all the time but it is very different when they are in goverment and have to start running a goverment. They no longer have the luxury as tehy now have responsibility to make a difference and not just talk about it.

For Pavel to suggest that the Ukrainian diaspora (UGCC included) does not care or is incapable of concerning itself with the plight of the social ills of Ukraine is completely off base.

In fact the diaspora UGCC has been at the forefront of riding Ukraine of it�s systemic corruption which is a byproduct of a prolonged period of Muscovite and Communist rule. Until the corruption is eradicated, the social ills of the people will persist.

At the forefront of this effort to clean up a corrupt society are Mrs Katyrina Yuschenko, first Lady of Ukraine, who attended UGCC schools in the Chicago area, and the Honorable Roman Zvarych, a UGCC adherent from the New York City area who emigrated to Ukraine and who until recently was the minister of justice (who by the way found money for new Greek Catholic Churches in the Zakarpatska Oblast)

Victor Malerek a UGCC member from Toronto and a highly esteemed Canadian journalist has been at the forefront of publicizing the plight of the Ukrainian women forced into human trafficking on major networks around the world, including CNN, PBS, the Canadian CBC, the French TV5, the Bristish BBC, and many others.

The Children for Chernobyl fund which is largely run by UGCC member in the United States and Canada has several pilot programs for Ukrainian patients suffering from HIV/ AIDS, tuberculosis, and other diseases. The World Bank has close to $100 million waiting for the treatment of patients with the above disease but can�t give the money because of systemic corruption (ie: little if any of the money would actually reach the patients).

Ivan Karwatsky, as UGCC member from Montreal (4rd generation !!!) and has been residing in Kiev for several years is at the forefront of bringing the military under NATO and thus responsible for ending corruption within that state institution. Without an end to corruption within the military, there can be no end to the systemic corruption of the country.

I could site many other examples. The Ukrainian diaspora�s (UGCC included) entire raison d�etre has been to bring social justice and economic prosperity to the Ukrainian people (Zakarpatska Oblast included). It is taking a global effort to help Ukraine rid itself of it's colonial past and the UGCC diaspora (and natives) continue to be at forefront of the effort. To suggest otherwise is to be truly ignorant of the facts.

I.F.

Hey guys, give me my topic back..

So was the UGCC stretching things when they posted this on their website?

Yet this Church (Kyivan) also remained in full communion with the Latin West and its patriarch, the Pope of Rome.

Thanks

Not a Chance!!

:p

That is great that this funding is coming into the country. I dont believe that ethnic Ukrainians outside the Republic are as informed as they might be on this topc. I am well aware that the Candian UGCC jumped in to help and gave money to run programs.

I think it racists to make references in the tone you use about Muscovites. The ruler was one man not a population. All were his possession just as his neighbouring rulers did. 20th century concepts of the state applied in an era that had no such concept, is stupid and not worthy of being on a Christian internet site. Shame on you!

Dear Jean Francois,

Yes, it's too bad the Ukrainian government itself seems to "lehkovazhyty" all this and seems ready to return all that Yanukovych represents.

Many Ukrainians, including my father-in-law are VERY upset by the current situation over there.

Alex