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Originally posted by Stephanos I:
Yes, but let us also look at he word "woman" in Genesis 3:15 the next time we see that word is at the foot of the Cross. Mary is made the "new eve" the "mother of all the spiritual living!"
As the Bible begins, so let us look at how it ends!
Stephanos I,

Yes, indeed. Christian tradition concludes what the promises, blessings, and lineage began.

Notice the similarity between Mary's Canticle and Hannah's.

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Yes, but let us also look at he word "woman" in Genesis 3:15 the next time we see that word is at the foot of the Cross.
I've heard this argument before but I'm not sure I buy it. Didn't Jesus also address the woman caught in adultery as "Woman" ("Woman, has no one condemned you?")?

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While that may be true that Jesus addressed her as woman.
I do not see what that has to do with the Patristic typology of Mary as the New Eve.
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[QUOTE]All the data would conclude the same. Very good.
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I do wish I could find much more solid confirmation in Jewish traditions. Apparently this is one of theose things 'taken for granted' and so no one saw a need to write much about it. I bet we would find comment in the Mishnah! which I have not time to research frown

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Notice the similarity between Mary's Canticle and Hannah's.

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The �woman� (isha I believe) is a whole subject in itself and probably deserves its own thread.

In its first appearance in Genesis (a cosmogony and a prophetic book - neither history nor fable) it is isha (meaning that which is taken from ish - husband) and means a woman in the sense of wife. I believe Mister Eckhart pinned it well when he spoke of the woman here (in Genesis) as a virgin wife. During the �fall� she is renamed by God to �Eve� and Adam having been used in the universal sense now become Adam in the particular sense (this one man now named Adam).

Adam represent the intellect and woman represent the will. I will not get further into that.

I do not wish to offend anyone, but in the narration, during the event of listening to the serpent, it is taken for granted in the Jewish mind, that the isha (wife) had been �gone into� by the serpent as well as by her husband and the offspring is a twain (an old English word which means two things which are one thing). Cain (one side of the coin) and Abel (the other side of the coin). This is not a case of twins - it is �twain�. Just as the tree in the 'midst' of the garden does not mean in the center of the garden but rather as if diffussed through out the garden.

It fall is the fall of our �will� as we turn away from Providence and begin self-providence.

The name Cain means �I have begotten a replacement for God�, in other words, the living God of Providence is replaced with an idol of God (the reflection of God in creation is raised to the status of God).

All that be as it may� the concept of the bride (wife) who becomes the prostitute - runs all through the prophets as an image of Israel bethrothed but chasing after other Gods. In the image - if the �wife� remains faithful to Good - she is a virgin - who gives birth - and remains a virgin. Instead �You have gone whoring after every high place!� (speaking of the way idols were placed under trees upon high hills).

I do not remember which prophet was told to marry a prostitute, and after she lays with other men, God tells him �Take her back, take her back� � just as God himself keeps taking back the prostitute of Israel.

The concept, or image, puts forth that if Israel (the son of God) is purged - she (the now cleansed will of Israel) becomes again a virgin bride united again to Providence (Israel�s King and God). Eckhart was quite right when he presennted it this way and that explaination of the images goes back to Augustine.

In the Book of Revelations, the whore of Babylon (the prostitute) is the same figure that is later given as �the woman clothed with the sun� (now purged and cleansed). If this �woman� further represents the church, Mary, etc.. that does not here concern me nor do I deny that - I am simply commenting on the - motif - as it flows from its origins in Genesis.

I do believe that the first instance in the gospels, of Jesus referring to his mother as the �woman� of Genesis whose seed (the Blessing) would be the messiah (Son of Adam) is at the wedding �Woman - what is it that you would have me do?� instead of �Mother - what would you ��. In as much as the original Hebrew is lost to us (the gospel being a transliteration into Greek) I wonder at what word for �woman� was actually used. It seems to me that as St. Jerome pointed out in earlier prophecies (and I do not think he was wrong) one Hebrew word which may be translated as �woman� but actually means a maid and virgin who is a wife not yet with child. I have never actually looked at the Greek used to see if there is an indication. A very poor and lacking comparison would be that we would call a wife - a young-wife - when she is married but has not yet had children, and we would call her a mother after she has given birth.

None the less (my sometimes half forgotten details from studies done so long ago) it must have been a bit surprising (at the wedding) when Jesus referred to her openly as �Virgin-wife� in the way of Genesis. Not surprising to Mary (�The power of the Most High shall cast its shadow on you and for that reason the one born shall be called Son of God.�) she was well aware of her betrothal to the Father and the virgin birth of her son. She and Jesus must have spoken about this. But that he should refer to her openly and in public as the vessel of the Blessing� and in doing so make of himself at the same time the Son of Adam and the messiah (for anyone who understood what was being said) is a marvel.

As my friend Stephanos said, the next time he calls her by that is under the cross. Note Jesus only calls her �woman� twice (I believe) it is once at the very start of his public work and once at the very end. As if to say to her �It has begun� at the wedding and �it is ended and complete� when he expires.

Under the cross (�Woman, behold your son�) the meaning is not one of �Hey - I am dying so adopt this kid John as your son instead�� but it is rather a literal meaning of that he continues to live now in his disciples. After all, the Son - he is speaking of - is himself. To say �Behold your son� and to indicate John is to say �There I am.�

What a wonderful thing to do for his mother as her heart is broken looking upon him on the cross - he reminds her "I am not leaving you mother - I am right - there."

What a marvel of love.

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Theist Gal
While that may be true that Jesus addressed her as woman.
I do not see what that has to do with the Patristic typology of Mary as the New Eve.
Stephanos I
It has *nothing* to do with it, I was just pointing out that we should not be overly concerned about trying to use Scriptures to prove the doctrines about Mary. The doctrines existed before the Scriptures. smile

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gtJC! the New Jerusalem Bible 1990: [I shall put enmity between you and the woman, and between your offspring and hers:, it will bruise your head and you will strike its heel.] not kidding - almost sounds like one offspring of the snake & the woman together. hey, somebody translate this 1995 la Biblia for me: [Hare que haya enemistad entre ti y la mujer, entre tu descendencia y la suya. Ella te pisara la cabeza mientras tu heriras su talon.] toodles & God bless, sUSAn

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hey, somebody translate this 1995 la Biblia for me: [Hare que haya enemistad entre ti y la mujer, entre tu descendencia y la suya. Ella te pisara la cabeza mientras tu heriras su talon.]

Roughly translated:

"I will put enmity between you and the woman, between your descendants and hers. She will trample your head while you will injure her heel."

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Originally posted by susie.freckle.face:
not kidding - almost sounds like one offspring of the snake & the woman together.
In the cosmogony you are correct. As a cosmogony the images of Genesis have a symbolic meaning or as the Catholic Cathechism says a "spiritual meaning". As Pope John Paul said when addressing the Pontifical Biblical Institute, Genesis is a cosmogny and its author is not intereted in telling us the "how" of creation but rather the "why" and purpose of the ongoing act of creation.

In the imagery of the original Hebrew - it is implied that the snake has intimate relations with her and she now carries the snakes seed as well as Adam's seed. She has been �unfaithful� and a harlot. So is born the twain (a word meaning two that are one) Cain (the snakes progeny) and Abel (Adam's progeny).

Now parallel this with our own spiritual psychology. Adam represents your intellect and the woman represents your will. Once we agree to sin (self-Providence) and we take that into an intimate union within out will - �a child� is born of that. Be it that we must not lie to cover our sin, or convince ourselves of a false justification - it is as a child is born which shall also grow and do its like.

In a sense, we have now divided our personality. Do you remember in the gospels when the man with multiply personalities gave his name as �Legion�? Once we have separated ourselves from reality (Providence) we must care for a nurture our fragmented personality. In a way you can think of this as in the phrase we use �two-faced�.

So once we sin we now have two tendencies dividing us - one to return to Providence and reality - and the other to perpetuate our sin and justify it (a further pretence). Which shall we do?

The fall from Providence (Providence being reality which is a Person and the Word or Logos) the fall continues when the Cain part of us battles down the Able part of us in order to perpetuate our own justification - we kill our conscience - we silence it - as if to bury it in the earth (meaning that we involve ourselves in material things and stimulations in order to keep our mind off of our conscience).

Cain was a tiller of the ground (manipulating creation for his own purposes) and Able was a sheppard (tending, not tilling, what God provides in natural ways) symbolic of the natural way sheep multiply. Cain�s name has the meaning �I have created my own god to follow� which is what we do when we sin - we make some mindset, some self justification, some intellectual reasoning - our god instead of God�s own Providence. We replace our conscience with a reasoned justification.

According to the Hebrew, the command God gives regarding Adam�s care of the garden is �You shall not till the garden�. This is mistranslated in English translations to �There was not a man to till the land�� the correct translation would be �Man is NOT to till the earth�. And you can now see the connection with Cain who - is - a tiller of the land. To �till the land� is symbolic for our acts of the manipulation of creation for our own purposes (self-Providence).

When you sit for contemplation, the primary thing that makes it contemplation, is that you cease �tilling the land� - which means you cease your mind from all its grinding away at its plans and desires and such (self-Providence) Instead - you accept Providence. So you can see how miserable our prayers are when our prayers are almost always asking God to - do this - change that - fix this - have that work out is such and such a way - etc.. God knows very well how to run his creation and does not need us to manage him. This is why Jesus tells us our prayers should be �They will be done�. Contemplation is - rest (the meaning of Noah�s name) from all our ego efforts.

The twain of Cain and Able is repeated with Jacob and Esau (which are also described as a twain in the Hebrew, and not �twins�) and Jacob is born striking at the heel of his brother. Esau and Jacob is a further elaboration on the motif of Cain and Abel. Esau is symbolic of our animal nature (the body) and Jacob is symbolic of our spiritual nature (the mind), Esau�s name is �red� referring to the clay that Genesis uses as symbolic for what our body is made out of. In the Hebrew it is red-clay. Obviously it is impossible for the tiny hand and untrained fingers of a new born to grasp anything - let along something the size of a twin�s heel. The Hebrew has Jacob striking at Esua�s heel.

Back to the woman and the image of the snake�s head and the heel of one of her sons. If you lived in the Mid East - you would be well away of weekly encounters with snakes (not in the cities of course). Imagine walking along in the sand or brush when all of a sudden you surprise a snake (who has no desire to tangle with you but rears up in self defense) - for your own protection you raise your sandaled foot - and poise it ready to strike it at the snakes head (where the fangs are and when you would kill it). So the nearest part of your body to the snake - is you leathered (sandal) heel. Being that you heel is the closes thing to the snake - that is what the snake will be intend on watching - and if it feels it must strike in self-defense - it will strike at that heel.

In Genesis - the image (the stand off between the heel and the snake head) is unresolved. It is as if the action is frozen in constant tension. And that is the point of the image - that these two shall be in constant - tension - a constant state of �war� (so to speak) of which there is no winner. So what God is saying here is that because we take self-providence into our own hands - we now become divided in mind and heart and this is a state of unresolved inner tension and conflict.

While this particular event in Genesis is often viewed to be the very first prediction of the coming of Christ that interpretation of types is a pious interpretation only and it is based upon assuming that the son�s heel comes down and crushes the snakes head due to assuming �he shall crush� is an act which will be completed. The real Hebrew highlights the unresolved nature and constant tension between the two. I will probably take it in the chin for this last interpretation so I will say here that a prediction of Christ�s coming (the blessing and seed) does come soon after this in Genesis but it is not here in this event of unresolved tension as some early father piously imagined it to be.


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WOW!!! Those are some great insights! Did you come up with that on your own or did you read it in the Fathers or a commentary or something?

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Thank you Ray for the beautiful opening of Scripture. (The more real, the more beautiful). I have always been bothered by the NAB trans of GN 3:22
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"Then the Lord God said:"See! The man has become like one of us, knowing what is good and what is bad! Therefore, he must not be allowed to put out his hand to take fruit from the tree of life also, and thus eat of it and live forever."
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If you read most all of the other classic translations you will not find this presumptuous wording. Here is the ASV
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"And Jehovah God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil; and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live forever-"
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That little dash at the end of that phrase is the most profound mark of punctuation ever written down. The passage is stating that though man has discovered good and evil and is "become as one of us" (remember man was created in God's image Male and Female), if this man should put forth his hand NOW , in the reality of this moment- which is the only reality- and take of the tree of life and EAT - this is to join the male and female and complete the living circuit of life which is the SEED, which is Christ. This is the theme of the entire bible. The reconciliation of the dynamic of life. "He who does not gather WITH ME scatters abroad". In the 4th chapter of the Gospel of St.John there is a beautiful illustration of this:
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"In the mean while his disciples prayed him, saying,Master, eat. But he said unto them, I have meat to eat that ye know not of. Therefore said the disciples one to another, Hath any man brought him to eat? Jesus saith unto them, My meat is to do the will of him who sent me, and to finish his work."
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(this is reaching forth and eating of the tree of life- doing the Father's will as dictated by Providence)
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"Say not ye, There are yet four months, and then cometh harvest? Behold, I say unto you, Lift up your eyes, and look on the fields; for they are white already to harvest."
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(The tree of life is here,now in the pouring forth of God if only we can get out of our heads and histories and see that this is it!)
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"And he that reapeth receiveth wages, and gathereth fruit unto life eternal: that both he that soweth and he that reapeth may rejoice together."
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(Male and female joining to bring oneness- Seed- Christ) I am always concerned when I see new translations assuming the meanings of phrases or words or strange punctuations and altering them to 'make sense'. I hope I have not offended anyone's scriptural sensabilties in this post. Thanks again for the insight. smile Rick

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As I re-read my post it occurs to me that my use of the terms 'male and female' may be misunderstood. I use them in the sense of active and passive. As I intentionally(male),of my own free will, surrender my agenda,habits,idols in this now moment to receive(female) or 'eat' the perpetual pouring forth of the Father then the two are made one. This is to follow and live in Christ Jesus. The mystery is that both happen simultaneously. Instead of going about my day like a collander trying to catch water I can close up the holes by being attentive to God in each moment and relaxing my own plans. Thanks, Rick

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As I re-read my post it occurs to me that my use of the terms 'male and female' may be misunderstood. Thanks, Rick
Rick�

I had really forgotten about this thread. I was a long time ago.

As regarding your image of the joining of a man and woman with the offspring being Christ - some people would interpret that in a poor way, but it is certainly an image used in scriptures.

It is also used in Greek myth. But I will skip over its use there except to say it is used in a similar way.

In some languages (Hebrew included) there is a use of gender for items which we of the more restricted English language seldom assign gender to. However we often assign gender in other indirect ways - for example a ship is most often a �she�. The captain (male) and the ship (she) join in a union - and there is a product of that union (sailing). A stranger is most often referred to as a he if the real gender is not known. When giving an example within psychology, philosophy and related sciences - we most often give that person a male gender even while the example applies to either gender (�If a man wants reality - he must seek it.�).

St Augustine rightly recognizes the role of the biblical use of gender to often be symbolic of the male gender being representing the faculty of intellect (the knowing ability) and the female gender representing the will (desire and motivation). Being symbolic of these aspects within ourselves, adam and eve exist even at this moment within each of us. And what would be the point of the narration of adam and eve if these two types really had nothing to do with us except the genetic origin of our species and the initial cause of our problem of sin? Does know that - really have any immediate benefit on you - or me - today at this moment?? No, the narration of adam and eve - has everything to do with you, and me, and any human, here today and right now because the story of their action (and the results) toward paradise or away from paradise - takes place within us - over and over and over again.

The symbol of marriage - is often used to express a union of intellect and will - that produces an off-spring.

The volitive will - alone - is blind. It needs the eyes of the intellect. The intellect alone is motiveless - it needs the desire (motivation) of the will. And either are helpless without the faculty of - memory - else we would always be fresh as babies and never retain knowledge of results. Imagine what it would be like if you had no memory? We would not be able to function - we would not be able to learn. We would always be - a newly born.

In order for us to function - out intellect investigates and figures out a way to reach a goal. Our will provides emotion by which we steer the intellect. This is a simple way to say it and so it is not technically correct.

Our intellect (knowing ability) and our will (motive) join in a union (go into each other) and that union produces something new - it has off-spring. A �child� - which also within itself contains an element of intellect and will. Today we tend to call that a �mindset�. For example - once I become a mathematician - that has its own mindset. It has its own life of the intellect and its own desires and goals (will - motivations). On and on this production takes place and its growth is biblically imaged as the growth of a tree always sprouting new branches of knowledge from itself.

In the biblical view - the full integration of out intellect and our will (the marriage of both - the undivided person) goes hand in hand with our mystical marriage to God. One - presupposes - the other.

One can think of this in a simple way by reasoning that the design of our intellect (how it was created and what it is intended to do) is to be fully integrated with the design of our will. A - wholeness. A oneness - a full union. An un-divided person and personality. The opposite of that is the possessed man of the gospels who was inhabited by (�My name is legion.�) so many personalities that it is compared to the number of soldiers in a Roman legion (100). Today - we would call this man a schizophrenic - but the truth is that we all have within us many personalities which we put on or off according to the situation. We are dominant to those under us and we are subservient to those above us. We use shifting situational ethics. We do not let our yes be �yes� and our no be �no� because we first think of all the personal repercussions and we adjust and amend our answer according to our self-providential needs. We look for our own profit or at least our lessen our loses.

This full union of our faculties - is also a full union with reality. It can be nothing else. It is a full union with nature - and by that also a full union with nature�s God.

When the faculties of intellect, will, and memory - are united in an equality - each is working according to its design. Its - natural - design.

At birth - we experience this natural union with nature. Through instinct and intuition (in-tuition or in-teaching) we are in an original communion with nature. We easily follow its promptings because we do not yet know (through memory) other choices. Our will - is moved by nature itself. Hunger - sleep - pain - all these movements of the will - are movements not by choice nor by past experience - but rather immediate movements through the media of our immediate experiences of the life (movement) of nature that we are so immersed in and in union with. It is indeed - a paradise - where God (through the media of nature) provides all - for us.

Once we have fallen from heaven - exiled form God-providence - we ever after long for a return to that Providence and that fresh face to face experience of reality - as it is.

If there is anything that we learn in life it is that real happiness - is not found in the constructions of our own imagination. It is only to be had as an integral part of reality itself.

What do we search for? God? Or reality?

The fact is that if you find one - you have by necessity - found the other.

God creates reality (as an immediate human experience) at every moment. Reason tells us that he can do nothing other than that. God - does not create un-reality and un-reality has no existence. John echoes this when he tells us regarding the Word �and everything that is - was created through him - and no-thing exists without him.� This is a simple way to say that only reality has any existence - and that which is not really has no existence at all. God - creates - reality - and no-thing (object, item, or event) else.

Christianity - would be so much simpler for us - if we could keep that in mind. Sanctity within Christianity - is a plunge - a dive - into reality - into what is real - into that experience - of reality that God creates. In that sense - to be a Christian - is to embrace the - existential of life - and not to question it or over analyze it.

In the mind of John the apostle - that existential reality - is a person. It is the resurrected Jesus Christ. That risen - yet invisible to our human senses - body and being of Jesus in his activity of the Logos. That is, the reasoning, of God, which creates. The creative action which is both a cause (first cause) and purpose (cause toward a reasoned goal). That goal - is of course �let us make man in our image.�

While man is, in someway, is bodily created in am image of God (keep in mind that the god-nature has no hands, eyes, hair, flesh, etc) by way of a symbolic reflection, Our human nature (all of it on any level) reflects, in a spiritual way, more fully and more completely than anything else in creation - attributes of that nature which is God. While that of us which is spiritual (and the Greek word spirit is psyche which means - mind) and most like God - has a freedom to it. A freedom of ours (like his own freedom) which has the ability to chose and reject. It is this - within us - that God �forms� day to day between the hammer of human experiences - and the choices of going by our conscience (together-knowing) or not.

It is the light of our conscience - which Jesus tells us we are not to cover over with a basket or hide behind a couch - but rather let it light up the whole room (use it to see by). We are to know things and events - by way of our conscience - above all.

There are two forms of the Will of the father - that come to us.

The first form comes to use by way of the exterior. It is the things and events - which come to us each day. We must submit to it - in its reality - but let us not confuse that submission with a robot like passivity - because that form of God�s will (that direct expression of God to and toward us) is in concert with the other form of God�s will which comes to us by way of out conscience. It is primarily by the enlightenment of our conscience that we are to judge what response is called for to the exterior expression of his will.

If we follow our promptings of good conscience when we are placed in any situation brought to us today - then it is between that act of conscience and that act of external experience - that our personality is formed and shaped - to be like his own. He provides in two ways - he provides externally and internally. And all we need to is accept and cooperate - and reality itself - shapes our personality into that mystery which he desires we become. I say mystery because it is an existential reality and not an analytical and mental facsimile.

When we do this - on a daily basis - the part of our nature which is our personality - which is memory - is formed (or reformed). Our - habitual - faculty.

Remember I said that we are in essence - a function of intellect, will, and memory. As the faculty of memory is purged from unreality - the intelligent and will are freed from the tendency of habit. They can now function unrestrained by past tendency of habit. When this purgation of memory - takes place - the intellect and the will - are temporary - blinded. Hense St. John of the Cross calls this the �dark night�. Now this bothers us more if we are trying to live by self plans because we become somewhat unable to predict what the future will be. Before - we predicted the future for ourselves according to what we had planed by way of manipulation - we manipulated things, people, and events as best we could in order to provide for ourselves what we deemed necessary for our own self security. And since that was a habitual act of ours - when we are temporarily (and involuntarily) without that ability - it is uncomfortable and like a blindness to intellect and will. The more we take each moment as it comes - the less will this bother us. The more we look to the daily bread (the immediate will of God) the less do we try to store up our stock of break in towers meant to secure us from famine. I am referring to the gospel story here of the man who stored wheat in his store house towers but died the next day so that his work did not bring him - life.

I have been to long here now - and yakked my head off - and that has not gone well with me recently.

Now, to sum up�

The image of that marriage (union) of our own intellect and will - has always gone hand in glove - with the mystical marriage of ourselves with Christ. That union in us - that complete integration of intellect and will according to its intended design by nature - is not Christ itself - but it is the �ground� within us that allows our full (and mysterious because we do not know how it happens) union with Jesus (who is Logos, existential reality, a person with his own mind and will). So it is understandable why mystics speak of the birth of Christ in us.

That union - stops short in concept - if e think of just the full integration of our own nature - as being Christ. It is an admirable goal in itself (the union of ourselves with the nature of reality) - but it lacks the further existential reality that - existential reality itself - is a thinking and reasoning person - a self intelligent - being - which as first cause of all things and events (prime mover) imparts intelligent and purposeful design - moment by moment.

The full integration of our intellect, will, and memory, with existential reality - becomes the appropraiate means of our cooperation with the will of God - and the means of that union of our own intellect and will - with the intellect and will of God.

I am not a theologian so I have spoken in generalities.

I understood your image of the union of male and female. It is a biblical image of the mystical union that the spiritual father of the church have often spoken of. They often called it - our deification - in the sense of its always being contigent upon our mystical union and likeness with God. A gift (grace) and not ours by by oor own nature. Jesus called it 'life' ... "I am the life." within which God gives himself to us.

Apparently this has been my Easter post - on the ressurection from death to life.

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The should have said that God's will comes to us in three way - exteriorly - and via conscience - and the presepts of the church which assit us us to recognise that which is coming to us via conscience.

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Hello and happy Easter to you Ray. Thank you for the edifying post. For me the experience of a moment by moment surrender is truly terrifying for many reasons: Relinquishing control is equal to death for me. When, by the grace of God, I am able to face the present on it's own terms i see that i've opened up a clearing (or God has) in a very tight and tenacious network or web of habits and external(seemingly)forces that have a lot invested in my sleeping in comfort and not seeing Reality. This is such a real and huge force that the thought of what suffering it must take to be free of this web is significant. Christ came to set me free. For me this is much more than going to church but I get confused as to my role in this undoing. I truly feel blind and at the same time have a tremendous urge to 'do' something to get me where i want to go. I think it's chronic impatience. I don't know how to wait on God. I try to let each moment come but it seems to lead me to places i've avoided for the last 40 years and i realize i'm post-poning the inevitable. Your way of describing what is almost impossible to describe has been a friend to me. When it is dark and one feels truly alone it's a sweet balm to have a signpost now and then. I'll be looking for your posts. God bless you, Rick

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