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I am sorry Romainian Churches thread was closed, while I was writing a post to it. An issue was raised that I would like clarified: Hritzko wrote: Earlier on in this thread "Iconophile" (a USA Byzantine Metropolia member) stated in no uncertain terms that the Pittsburg Metropolia published anti-Ukrainian Greek Catholic Church materials. From Iconophile: I have read Rusyn-oriented histories, and Ukrainian-oriented histories and have dug through the old stuff in my [Ruthenian] parish library... I have read one book of Rusyn history, dating from the 70s, which referred to Ukrainian nationalism as the "Ukrainian menace"! Hritzko: Is this the what you are referring to? If so, then your idea of "no uncertain terms" seems terribly flawed. Do you have evidence that this quote is from a publication of the Metropolia. Does the phrase represent a contemporary opinion or an historical one? The phrase sounds like something from the GCU at the turn end of the 19th century. I would like for you to document and/or qualify your this charge against the Metropolia. djs ps apologies to Tim, Anton, ByzTN, et alia.
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Djs,
I believe Hritzko is making a reference of that infamous Time Magazine article about Bishop Elko being recalled to Rome back in 1967 (complete with a photo of Bp. Elko holding a ciborum during a Eucharistic procession). In the article, the author suppossedly made quotes from some Byzantine Catholic priests but does not name them by name. So that was Time Magazine and not the Byzantine Catholic World using such language. Grant it, there has been a polarization of the Subcarpathian Rusyn clergy vs. their Galician clergy counterparts that goes back to 1890's which should be no surprise to anyone considering the political situation prior to WWI.
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I really liked the last post that Orthoman made about how people focused on Christ rather than their nationalities.
The Ukrainians need to lighten up and not to WORSHIP their identity, ethnicity and nationality in order to set up a Church or whatever. Many folks (not just Ukies) but others worship the false god of ethnicity and nationality. It's no wonder why so many Churches are divided all based on nationality.
Having two metropolitians in one city of Pittsburg is outrageously ridiculous!!! Having so many same BYZANTINE Churches overlapping each other in the same area.
Granted, the Ruthenians shouldn't be directed under Rome, but rather be completely self-ruled. In a better world, the Ruthenian Metropolita would be under Patriarch of Constantinople.
So, I think it's time for Ruthenians to be totally self-governed (I'm talking complete freedom from Rome's rule). Being free from Rome does not in anyway indicate splitting up from Rome, it's on the contrary...it would symbolize strongly the unity with Rome.
Ruthenians need to take out "Ruthenians" OUT. Ukrainians take "Ukrainians" OUT. Melkites take "Melkite" OUT. EVERYBODY OUT OUT OUT...and then put "AMERICAN Byzantine Church" IN IN IN, so taht we all be more united and not to follow the false god of ethnicity and nationality.
THIS IS AMERICA! This is NOT Ukraine, this is NOT Carpo-Ruysn, this is NOT Russia, this is NOT Lebanon, etc. SO GET O-V-E-R I-T FOLKS!!! Start speaking ENGLISH ENGLISH ENGLISH and be an American!
(WHEW! What a big load off of my chest)
SPDundas
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PS, Hats off to Orthoman's Church, who truly witness the love of Christ by focusing on Him rather than some silly ethnic spats. Orthoman's Church should put everyone else into SHAME.
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[Ruthenians need to take out "Ruthenians" OUT. Ukrainians take "Ukrainians" OUT. Melkites take "Melkite" OUT. EVERYBODY OUT OUT OUT...and then put "AMERICAN Byzantine Church" IN IN IN, so taht we all be more united and not to follow the false god of ethnicity and nationality.]
First of all thank you for the compliments regaring my post and my parish.
Now, regarding a name change to AMERICAN Byzantine Church. Would tend to disagree. By putting AMERICAN in front of the title aren't you doing the same thing you are speaking against by putting an ethnic or cultural ident in the beginning of the title? Better it be called something like 'The Byzantine Catholic Church In (or Of) America.' But what do I know, I'm just an Orthodox Catholic!
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Originally posted by OrthoMan:
Now, regarding a name change to AMERICAN Byzantine Church. Would tend to disagree. By putting AMERICAN in front of the title aren't you doing the same thing you are speaking against by putting an ethnic or cultural ident in the beginning of the title? Better it be called something like 'The Byzantine Catholic Church In (or Of) America.' But what do I know, I'm just an Orthodox Catholic!
OrthoMan Yeah, that's what I was kinda leaning to. I guess I typed too fast. Yeah, Byzantine Catholic Church of America has a nice ring to it. SPDundas Deaf Byzantine
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UC:
While the Time magazine article was brought up on the thread, Iconophile was referring to something else. I am uncomfortable leaving this accusation unqualified. In particular, if there if it was made in error I'd like the error corrected.
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