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Does anyone know if they still publish those old phontetic prayerbooks and missels for Greek Catholics and Orthodox? THose (IF anyone recals) were the ones with english on one page and Slavonic/Latinized lettering on the other. I pretty much guess that no one may make them anymore but if anyone knows where they sell old ones, I would appreciate their reply.
Also, I remeber seeing years ago a bok called the "Greek Catholic Missel", does anyone know if this is still published?
Robert K.

Robert,

Perhaps you're thinking of the Byzantine Missal which was the precursor to Byzantine Daily Worship? It was also compiled by Archbishop Joseph (Raya) and Baron Jose de Vinck. Although the "Missal"'s content was quite Latinized in comparison to BDW.

Christ has Ascended!

Dear Robert,

I believe the book you want is "Chlib Dusi" (Bread for the Soul) It was compiled by Fr. Alexander Dukhnovich a 19th century Carpatho-Rusyn scholar. It contains Vespers, Matins, Divine Liturgy, Morning and Evening prayers, Communion prayers and so forth all with English and phonetic Old Slavonic on facing pages.

It costs $15 and is printed by Holoviak's. Remember that the pronunciation and the selection of prayers reflect more the Carpatho-Rusyn, Ukrainian, Slovak, Hungarian, and Belarusian practice rather than the Russian tradition. Ask for a copy with black covers. White is for the girls. I highly recommend it. Please let me know what you think of it.

Presviataya Bogoroditza Fatimskaya, spasi nas.
RusOrthCath martyrs and confessors, pray for us.

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I recently acquired a copy of this prayer book at an OCA parish. It is very interesting and I think it gives some examples of 'Latinizations' which may have crept into Orthodoxy.

I am enjoying my copy.

Best Wishes to All!
Stefan-Ivan

Dear Stefan-Ivan,

BTW, Latinizations that are in Orthodoxy are the only ones I practice!

If they're good for them, they're good for me.

Alex

Thanks, actually I have that wonderful prayerbook already. It is really an amazingly compiled masterpiece of liturgics, I I may say so.
Are there any more like this one published?

Also, is the book specifically Greek Catholic or interchangable for the Orthodox (Im wondering since I notice that their is no imprimatur from a Bishop in the front)?

Robert K.

The first editions of Chlib dus~i were compiled by Father Aleksander Duchnovic~, the "national awakener" of the Rusyns, who was a liturgist and canon of the Pres~ov Eparchy in the 1st half of the 19th century. I believe the Vestal edition (English & Slavonic) still has his name in it - "Sostavil: o. Aleksander Duchnovic~" or something close to that. However, this edition was prepared by some Orthodox person because it doesn't have filioque or commemoration of the Pope of Rome. It was most likely printed in Perth Amboy, New Jersey. The older editions of Chlib dus~i from Europe are in Slavonic only (of course) and in general much larger than the American version. It appeared in several versions, including a Hungarian-language edition, an edition in Latin letters but using Hungarian orthography (e.g., "Blahoszlovenno czarsztvo otcza i sz�na i szvyataho duha..."), a Galician edition using Polish orthography, etc. But the Vestal edition now sold by Holoviak's is the only one, to my knowledge, that was ever produced in the USA.

Christ has Ascended!

Dear Lemko Rusyn,

Thank you for such an informative post! I recently had the privilege of actually seeing a copy of an older edition of Chlib Dusi printed at Uzhorod in the 1920's. It was a wedding gift to a Carpatho-Rusyn lady who attends my Russian Catholic parish. It is a beautiful book and it was printed in Church Slavonic. I did not check for the filioque but I did note the mention of the pope in the litanies and odd symbols following the words of the consecration. I later concluded that they were bells!

Is Chlib Dusi still printed in Ukraine? Are the modern editions in Old Slavonic, Rusyn, or Ukrainian? Could you tell me a little more about the Hungarian editions? Is there an edition currently in print in Hungarian? I might want to get one for myself.

Presviataya Bogoroditza Fatimskaya, spasi nas.
RusOrthCath martyrs and confessors pray for us.

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Dear friends,

Has anyone ever seen a bilingual (Hungarian/English) prayerbook for Hungarian Greek Catholics? I am also interested bilingual prayerbooks used by Ukrainians. I recently acquired an Ukrainian-English Orthodox prayer book from the Ukrainian Orthodox Church in America. The cost is $7. It comes in black and white covers. It is pocket-sized and comes harbound with a "Russian" cross on the front.

I suppose that the earlier bilingual prayer books used by Ukrainians were Old Slavonic-English. Are any of the Old Slavonic-English prayer books still obtainable?

Thanks.

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Where could I get a copy?

Thanks. Robert

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Dear Robert,

My parish sells them. I could send you a copy by mail. I would have to charge postage and shipping. You can give me your address offline.

Alex, Stefan-Ivan, and Lemko Rusyn might not like the idea of a Russian parish selling a Ukie prayer book. My parish might be visited by some of the Ukrainian Knights of Columbus.

Presviataya Bogoroditza Fatimskaya, spasi nas.
RusOrthCath martyrs and confessors, pray for us.

Paul;

When I visited the Shrine of the Weeping Virgin of Mariapocs (Burton, Ohio) in 1999 they had copies of the "Main Srvices of Holy Week and Glorious Resurrection" in Hungarian and English.

The cover is the same as the Slavonic version from 1950. I didn't examine it too closely since I don't know very much Hungarian, (except for Sluzh Maria, and goulas).

I think the Sisters who run the shrine would be happy to mail you one. Sorry, I don't remember what they cost. They had a stack of them.

With Best Regards,
Stefan-Ivan

Don't worry, it's better than us selling Russian ones. Ha Ha Ha

Christ has Ascended!

Dear Stefan-Ivan,

Thank you for that information! I will write to the sisters. My personal favorite among bilingual prayer books is the "Svit" prayer book published by St. Tikhon's Press. It is also sometimes called "St. Tikhon's Prayerbook" and "Molitvoslov." I suppose that means
"prayerbook" in Old Church Slavonic. It has Old Slavonic (Cirillic script) and English on facing pages. I have learned enough Slavonic to pray a few prayers. I love it. It contains not only the Divine Liturgy but also Vespers, Matins, Morning and Evening prayers, daily prayers, Akathists, etc. I recommend this book to anyone who wishes to learn and pray even a few prayers in Old Slavonic.

Since this book contains the actual Old Slavonic texts it can be used by anyone who can read Old Slavonic. It can be used by Carpatho-Russians, Ukrainians, Belarusians, as well as the Russian Orthodox by whom it was compiled.

Presviataya Bogoroditza Fatimskaya, spasi nas.
RusOrthCathmartyrs and confessors, pray for us.

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Dear Paul;

Thanks for the information. I understand what you are saying. I just couldn't pass the opportunity to poke a little fun...

I hope I gave you correct information about the book I saw being Hungarian/English and not Hungarian/Slavonic.

One of my most cherished religious experiences was my opportinity to participate in Divine Services at Sainte Trinite Russian Catholic Church in Paris in 1986 when I was working on my French degree. I loved it and I am glad that you have a similar opportunity there in LA.

Stefan