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#225847 03/07/07 10:59 AM
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This is a hard post to write. The last few months have been very painful. I have to a huge extent lost my faith. I haven't been to Divine Liturgy for a couple of months, but have been experimenting with Episcopal and other churches. I've been seriously considering leaving the Church. I once thought I had a religious vocation, but have pretty much lost interest.

I will not tell you the specifics of my struggle, although I'm sure most of you would be quite compassionate and understanding, but I feel a heavy darkness in my heart. The places I have attended recently have been so accepting and I was treated like family--no divisions along ethnic lines, something which I am so sick of. I want to reach out and connect with people, something I've been able to do with few at my church. I've been telling myself I can keep my name on the roster at my parish while attending these other churches.

If you wish to pray for me, you may do so. I'm hoping others can relate to the spiritual emptiness I feel, my questioning the Church, and God, even telling myself He doesn't exist, and if He does exist, He can't possibly love me and I will never be good enough for heaven, anyway.

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Prayers for the comforting of your mind and spirit, the Lord does speak to us, however, those every day worries and the evil one can distract us from hearing Him...

Have patience and trust in the Lord.

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Dear Westerner Gone East:
Please, please, seek out the guidance of a good priest. Not all priests are equal with respect to their ability to give sound spiritual counsel. If there is some reason you have for not seeking counsel from the priest of the Orthodox parish you have most recently attended, seek out a wise and caring priest from another Orthodox parish in your area. Please be assured that God does love you. God's love is true love exactly because it has nothing whatsoever to do with our "worthiness." If God's love for us were conditioned upon our worthiness, we all would be in great trouble-at least at some times in our lives. In addition to seeking the counsel of a wise and caring priest, I also urge you to pray. If you feel as if you don't know how to pray, remember these words of St. Paul, recorded in Romans 8:22-27, "We know that the whole creation has been groaning in travail together until now; and not only the creation, but we ourselves, who have the first fruits of the Spirit, groan inwardly as we wait for adoption as sons, the redemption of our bodies. For in this hope we were saved. Now hope that is seen is not hope. For who hopes for what he sees? But if we hope for what we do not see, we wait for it with patience. Likewise the Spirit helps us in our weakness; for we do not know how to pray as we ought, but the Spirit himself intercedes for us with sighs too deep for words. And he who searches the hearts of men knows what is the mind of the Spirit, because the Spirit intercedes for the saints according to the will of God." Pray the Lord's Prayer, pray the Jesus Prayer. God knows our need even before we ask-even when we ourselves do not know our own needs. I hope and pray that God's love and mercy be poured out upon you in this difficult time.
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You are definitely in my prayers. I can relate to your struggle. As a philosopher and an academic, I sometimes think that "doubt" is my vocation. Many times have I been tempted to embrace something more simple like deism or some form of quietism like Quakerism. But, it is the beauty of the incarnate Christ that always brings me back. Also, spirituality is only truly lived out in community. At times I have thought "Why can't I just sit in my backyard on Sundays and contemplate the beauty of the universe?" But, who would challenge me? Who would challenge my thoughts and feelings? Who would spur me on to growth? And, how would I love my neighbor as myself if I am shut up in my backyard?

Last night, I spent some time rereading Dostoevsky's The Brothers Karamozov. In one scene, Father Zozima goes out to meet some women who desire his prayers and spiritual advice. One woman is afraid of death and has lost her faith in the afterlife. She says that she constantly doubts that there is anything more than the natural world we live in. She asks the elder for some kind of proof of immortality so that she can attain certitude. Basically he tells her (and here I am paraphrasing since I don't have the text in front of me):

"Dear woman, live a life of active love. The more you actively love your neighbor, even your enemy, the more you will attain certitude of eternal life. There are no proofs. But you will attain certitude the more you dwell in love and if you come to live entirely in active love, then you will never have a doubt again."

I have to say that this has been my experience. Also, I can say that switching churches only for negative reasons (to escape ethnocentricity, quirky individuals, etc) is not a solution. You will find that every group of humans, such as the Episcopal Church, the Orthodox Church, the Friends of the Library, the University Glee Club, etc. is made up of imperfect sinners. There are always problems. They will never go away.

So, be gentle with yourself and seek out a good spiritual father to help you. I have you in my prayers.

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Originally Posted by Westerner Gone East
This is a hard post to write. The last few months have been very painful. I have to a huge extent lost my faith. I haven't been to Divine Liturgy for a couple of months, but have been experimenting with Episcopal and other churches. I've been seriously considering leaving the Church. I once thought I had a religious vocation, but have pretty much lost interest.

I will not tell you the specifics of my struggle, although I'm sure most of you would be quite compassionate and understanding, but I feel a heavy darkness in my heart. The places I have attended recently have been so accepting and I was treated like family--no divisions along ethnic lines, something which I am so sick of. I want to reach out and connect with people, something I've been able to do with few at my church. I've been telling myself I can keep my name on the roster at my parish while attending these other churches.

If you wish to pray for me, you may do so. I'm hoping others can relate to the spiritual emptiness I feel, my questioning the Church, and God, even telling myself He doesn't exist, and if He does exist, He can't possibly love me and I will never be good enough for heaven, anyway.

Do not dispair. God continues to draw near even though it seems as if God is far. God is love.

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[8] But God shows his love for us in that while we were yet sinners Christ died for us.

May the Holy Spirit through others guide you in peace and clarity of direction.

My prayers that you find good counsel during this difficult and dark time.

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I can relate. I have been through my own trying times of doubt and darkness.

"Forward!" That was my dad's last word to me before he died. It has carried me through a lot of tough times.

Don't quit. Just go forward towards Christ. Since you are already Orthodox, stick with it by going to Divine Liturgy every Sunday and by saying some kind of prayer (like the Lord's prayer) every day. It makes a difference.

Sometimes, even when you feel you have no faith, just going through the motions of practicing your faith IS a testimony of your faith.

The rest of the advice on this page is really good too.

You are in my prayers, and you are in the prayers of the Theotokos, and you are in the prayers of Jesus. For (Hebrews 7:25) "He is able to save completely those who come to God through Him, because He lives forever to intercede for them."

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Dear Westerner Gone East:

You've already received a treasure trove of wisdom and support from Ryan, Joe, Porter, and John. Reread all of those, print them out and reread them every day.

Been where you are--a dark and seemingly nasty place.

Some time ago a priest posted here that he had had a period in his career where he felt that his vocation was not wanted, that he felt that no one wanted his gifts. He came to the conclusion after a period of time, after prayer, and after reflection that God had given him this trial to let him know that He loved him FOR HIMSELF, not for his vocation, not for what he could do for others, not for anything that he could give back.

Having been in this desert myself many times, I can say that it is scary, it is lonely, and it shakes the foundations of faith. God is calling you as He has called me--to greater faith, to greater holiness, and to greater depth in your relationship with Him. None of these tests are meant to sink your ship. They are there for the stripping of attachments that each of us has so that we can cling more tightly to God Himself--alone.

I've modified a prayer for you that I have that is powerful and has given me something to look at when I feel like there is nothing else to hold onto. I've also copied an article once posted here that I go back to again and again. I'll commit to praying for you--that you will find God Who is wrapping His Arms around you even when you feel abandoned.

Find a good priest to whom you can pour this out. Make an appointment as you would for a physician, even if it means taking the afternoon off from work. Don't abandon the fountain of imortality--the Divine Liturgy.

If all else fails, take a short trip to church, and just say, "Lord, I'm here. I need You more than You need me. Help me." Then just sit in the quiet--and cry if necessary. (BTW, it's not unmanly to cry when you feel as we both have felt. The Lord heals the broken-hearted.)

In Christ Who has made you my brother,

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Lord Jesus Christ, by the authority and power of Your Holy and All-Venerable Name, the Name above all names, the Name before which every knee must bend in Heaven, on earth, and under the earth, and every voice proclaim to the Glory of God the Father that You alone are Lord, by the intercession of the Holy Mother of God, the All-Holy, Ever-Virgin Mary, who is by Your Gracious Gift from the Cross our mother, by the intercession of the holy Apostles, Saints, Martyrs, and all the other blessed spirits You have gathered into Your Kingdom from every age, race, culture, and time, and by the intercession of all the Choirs of Angels and all their legions, especially through the intercession of the Holy Archangel Michael, and my own holy Guardian Angel, I ask You, Lord, Holy Master, to come to my aid and help me. I feel like You are far away and that neither You nor any of my brethren in the Faith care for me. I am alone, empty, spiritually beaten. The Enemy has put the thought into my mind that You no longer love me, that I have no hope, and that I should give up. Lord, You were tempted in the desert. Help me who feel abandoned in a desert of my own. Pick me up and carry me, for I am like the man in need of the Good Samaritan. Be the Samaritan to me; be my Savior. I need You now desperately. Come into my life now and heal me with the balm of Your Grace. Bind my wounds with the bonds of Your Great Love, even for me. Come into my darkness and make it light. Through the prayers of the Mother of God and of all the blessed beings who continously praise Your Holy Name, O Savior, help me in this trial. AMEN
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"After the Chrism Dries"

Some Pitfalls Awaiting Converts to the Orthodox Church

By David Tillman
Reprinted from AGAIN MAGAZINE, Volume 21, Number 1 - Winter 1999

May 4, 2003 (AGAIN) -- "Our merciful Lord says, Enter by the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and there are many who go in by it. Because narrow is the gate and difficult is the way which leads to life, and there are few who find it." (Matthew 7:13, 14)

Coming into Orthodoxy may look like the end of a long journey home, but on another plane it is just the beginning of another journey - the journey into the Kingdom of heaven. This pilgrimage is the hard way, the way of the Cross, and it is fraught with dangers and pitfalls.

There is a steady stream of souls coming into the Orthodox Church, but, alas, there is also a persistent trickle of those going out. Some are scandalized, disillusioned, and heartbroken; some are rebellious, defiant, and - may God rescue them and us - perhaps lost forever. Joy comes only through the Cross, and all are tempted to flee from it. Let us take refuge in the divinely inspired promise of the Holy Apostle John that as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, to those who believe in His name (John 1:12).

Let's get some basic doctrine down before we have a sober look at the journey after the chrism dries and the baptismal garment is folded and put away. I believe in One Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic Church, and the Orthodox Church is it. What the Orthodox Church has received from the Lord (the prayers, the liturgies, the Bible, the Mysteries, the Councils, the Fathers, the icons, the canons - in sum, the entire Tradition) is absolutely trustworthy. To reject these things in their proper place and order in the Church is to reject Christ as Head of the Church. To gain these things through Jesus in the communion of the Orthodox Church is worth every sacrifice.

The Pitfall of Expecting Sinless People

What we have received is absolutely trustworthy. The way we incarnate it in this world as individuals, parishes, dioceses, and the like can be an affront to God. If one flees to the Orthodox Church never expecting to encounter sinners again, one is deluded. Sinners are to be found in abundance not only among the laity, but among the clergy as well. St. John Chrysostom taught that the roads of hell are paved with the skulls of erring Orthodox priests, and erring Orthodox bishops are the lampposts!

In fact, even whole churches can fall into sin. The current Bishop of Corinth is reputed to say often that his church has not improved that much since the Apostle Paul left. And we must never forget that the seven churches described in St. John's Apocalypse (the Book of Revelation) were Orthodox churches! They're gone now. Their lampstands may well have been removed forever. Whether this is due to the vicissitudes of Greco-Turkish politics or to a deeper cause, we know that God preserves the Orthodox Church where she is faithful.

There are real live sinners in the Orthodox Church, and anyone that enters thinking to escape them will be terribly disappointed. He might have better luck entering a hospital in order to avoid sick folks.

One escapes nothing by coming into the Orthodox Church. What happens is that everything is intensified, but with a new clarity. The late Flannery O'Connor (a Roman Catholic writer of the first rank and native of the Deep South) was once asked why her stories, and those of so many Southerners, were peopled by such freaks. She replied to the effect that perhaps the Southerner's advantage is that he can still recognize a freak. The Orthodox Christian's advantage is that he can still recognize sin when most of the world would like to deny its existence. There are sinners pedestrian and venal in the Orthodox Church. There are sinners who have damaged and torn lives and consciences. There are sinners intellectual and simple. One healthy sign amidst so much that is unhealthy, even dangerous, is that there is an unchangeable vocabulary of sin, repentance, accountability, and God's coming judgment in Orthodoxy. One can hide from it, but one cannot escape it. The Orthodox Church still recognizes sin and celebrates virtue, even to the judgment and condemnation of some who would count themselves members in good standing, with medals and citations to prove it.

The Pitfall of Magical Thinking

Many come to the Orthodox Church with impossibly high expectations of her. Some of these expectations are quasi-magical. One can be baptized, chrismated, and communed with utmost care in Orthodoxy and still go to hell. The Holy Mysteries grant us an encounter with the Most Holy Trinity; they are not magic. They cannot make a silk purse out of a sow's ear. A sinner who will not cooperate with this grace will be condemned by it.

Many a recovering drunk will say of his recovery program, It works if you work it! The Mysteries of the Church (which is itself the Great Mystery) work if you work them. One can be baptized in the deepest font made and be held under a good long time in each immersion and still end up in hell, for the lack of daily trying to die to self so that one can truly die with Christ and rise with Him. So many fixate on the outer form to the exclusion of the very presence of God in the Mysteries. The Lord is present to empower us to be faithful, not to magically transform us into lovers of Himself and our neighbors without struggle on our part. We must make the effort to lay aside every weight, and the sin which so easily ensnares us (Hebrews 12:1).

An excessive fixation on the ultra-correct celebration of the services of the Church can be the result of this magical thinking. Some seem to
be thinking that if the services are just done right (and there are wildly divergent definitions of done right) then the struggles will be over. Magic lusts after mere power. Alas, many prefer magic to grace and are disappointed that Simon the Magician was never canonized in the Orthodox Church! So they leave, or worse, stay and drive off the weaker brethren. It is heartbreaking to see people scandalized by the sins of others and/or their own sins and struggles. The antidote to this in faith is the foundational virtue of humility. When all is said and done, all that is wrong with the Church in her earthly pilgrimage (remember, there's nothing wrong with her Head) can be discovered by looking in a mirror.

Every Orthodox Christian from the Apostolic Age until today must say at every Divine Liturgy that he himself is the chief of sinners. After
many years of saying it, many come to believe it. Of those who believe it, many begin to do something about it. It is at this point that one begins to see and experience the Messianic miracles in abundance. At least on the moral plane one begins to witness, if not personally experience, the disfigured lepers being clean sed, the lame walking, the blind seeing, the dumb speaking, the demons being banished, and the dead being raised.

Yet some persist in wanting - may we say lusting for - a guaranteed magic rather than grace. Those healed by the Lord had to get up, get to work, and get home. Who are we to demand more? Jesus gives us His grace, the presence of the Holy Spirit, to walk the narrow way. He doesn't send a taxi to get us!

The Pitfall of Losing Our Balance

Being faithful is a struggle on both the individual and the corporate levels. Some give up the battle and settle for a worldly comfort. This is true for individual souls, parishes, dioceses, and patriarchates. None of us is immune to the desire to take the rest appointed for the Last Day right now. North Americans and Western Europeans have a great struggle with the devil's most subtle weapon: prosperity. Again on every level, there are those of us so seduced by prosperity that we create a huge stumbling block to many souls. Worldly prosperity and numerical growth are not always signs of spiritual growth. After all, cancer cells grow much faster than normal cells.

The antidote to the comfy poison of prosperity is ascetic effort. Ascetic effort is the directed and controlled violence of war against the passions. Ascetic effort can be derailed by pride, publicity, and legalism. There are times we Orthodox, again on both the individual and corporate levels, can simultaneously make the Pharisee blush and the publican despair. There are some who deny the centrality of ascetic effort, especially fasting. There are others who can keep a Lenten kitchen more fastidiously than any scribe or lawyer of old could ever have hoped to keep Kosher. Where humility and mercy are lacking, God is banished in the name of Orthodoxy, and souls are led astray.

The Lord grants us grace step by step so that we can walk a balanced walk. When we are confronted with fellow sinners, we need not
despair and begin looking for a Church more Orthodox than God. This is a temptation. Neither do we need to say, "Well, no one else is fighting sin in his life, so I am off the hook." In balance we can be grateful to God that He brought us to the Orthodox Church, but we need not have any illusions that the Church would be diminished without us or is enriched by us. With sobriety we can do what grace makes possible and bless the Lord.

Unbalanced enthusiasm is another pitfall.

One of the finest teachers in the North American Church tells the story of his enthusiasm in his first assignment as a parish priest. At one point his bishop reminded him, Father, the Church saves you. You don't save the Church. This is a saving balance and sobriety in the Christian walk. There is nothing extreme in it. Passionate and intemperate enthusiasm can be purified and tamed to become patient and long-suffering zeal. Being on fire with love for the Lord is absolutely necessary, but it must be a controlled burn.

The Pitfall of Ingratitude

One of the signs that we are getting off the narrow way of the Cross is ingratitude toward or condemnation of our origins. For those of us who came to Orthodoxy from the Western denominations, this is a major and serious temptation. One must enter Orthodoxy walking forward singing, not retreating backward shouting. It is the height of ingratitude to be without at least a prayer for the folks that taught one to call on the name of Jesus.

In the entryways of many an ancient church building (called the exonarthex) one could see pictures of Plato and Aristotle. The Church knew that the philosophies of the pagan Greeks were inadequate to the mystery of faith in Christ. The Church knew that too many had attempted to subordinate the Tradition to pagan categories and had been lost because of it. Despite all of this she allowed a beautiful expression of gratitude to Plato and Aristotle as seekers of Truth, sometimes even referring to them as the Moseses of the [pagan] Greeks. In this we see sober, open-eyed, and Christ-enlightened gratitude.

Truth is truth wherever it is found, and it always has some relationship to Jesus, who is, of course, the Truth Incarnate. Ingratitude for whatever glimmer of truth came to us from even the most doubtful of sources is a singularly evil symptom of profound spiritual malaise. From the denominational perspective, there are few bodies more inadequate than the snake-handling sects, but their call for total commitment and focus is laudatory. On Judgment Day one can speculate that a rattlesnake-handling sect may fare better because of its hundred-percent commitment, albeit in ignorance, than an Orthodox parish that has it all, at least on paper, but is only thirty percent committed. Where ingratitude is found, judgments abound, and presumption cannot be far behind.

Having said these things, we must be careful not to teeter off the other side of the narrow way by saying, It does not matter what you believe as long as you are sincere and committed. Although God is everywhere present and fills all things (as we say in our opening invocation to the Holy Spirit before nearly every private or public prayer of the Orthodox Church), He condescended to be objective - describable, touchable, knowable - in the Incarnation. The Faith has an objective content.

The Lord did not come to give us mere propositions. He came to restore our relationship to Him by freeing us from the tyranny of sin, decay, and death. Nevertheless, this relationship can be described accurately in ways He chose. There is right theology with attendant right practice. The Lord entrusts us with the Faith to equip us to walk the narrow way He pioneered. When we treat the Faith in presumption as our right, we distort it and disfigure it. The light in us becomes darkness, and we cause scandal and harm even though we may be members in good standing of the Orthodox Church.

A Bridge over Pitfalls - the Cross

What should be said in conclusion? Simply this: The Lord came to save us from the reality of rebellion, sin, death, and decay in every facet ofour being. The only way to be saved is to take up our cross and follow Him in obedient death to self and sin. If, in reality, our following Him is a charade, then all the tools and arsenal the Lord has provided for our salvation and sanctification will condemn us. Coming into the Orthodox Church does not take away the necessity of genuine repentance. It s a matter of grace, not magic.

In reality, if we have not died with Christ and risen with Him, we will find the Marriage Supper of the Lamb intolerable. The real God makes real repentance possible so that people can enter into the real Kingdom of heaven. It requires a genuine walk in faith with the power of our God, who cannot be fooled. The journey is not over yet.
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A Simple Thanksgiving

Thank you, Lord, for making me who I am. Sometimes I wish I had another's talents. Sometimes I wish I had another's seeming luck, or position, or money, or power. But as long as I remember that You love me and walk with me and care for me I will be okay with whatever You send me. Thanks for everything. AMEN.
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Finally, at the end of my day and the end of my prayers, I say

Thank You, Lord, for my life, for every breath, for every heartbeat, for every talent, for every blessing, for every grace, for every set of tears, for every setback, for every shortcoming, for every limitation, and for everything else that has turned me time and time again back to You, the source, the reason for, and the end of my life. AMEN.

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Dear Westerner Gone East:

Thank you for sharing with us your struggle. That is a brave thing to do.

I do understand to some degree- I actually left my Byzantine Church for a little while, and joined the Episcopal Church. I felt drawn back to my Byzantine Church, but I realize you must find your own way. Every experience is different.

The only thing I might suggest to you, which admittedly, might sound very trite- is that sometimes the grass really is not greener on the other side.

Take time, do not rush into anything. Just like some married couples, we often fall in and out of love. Think it through before you make a definite decision to change churches or religion.

I hope if you do feel you want or need to make a change, you will always feel welcome here.

God bless, and may the Holy Spirit encourage you, and guide you in your journey.

Through Christ God,

Lance

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I offer my prayers for you through the intercession of St. John of the Cross and Blessed Theresa of Calcutta.

Mother Theresa and St. John of the Cross both went through what you are going through and were strengthened and sanctified because of it. You might want to read their stories. You should definitely take Ryan's advice and seek counsel from a good spiritual director.

If you want to talk (PM me even just to hear your self think out loud) I'm willing and able to "listen."

I'm not a priest though.

You are not alone, we really do care about you and your welfare, even though we are hundreds or thousands of miles apart.

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Dear Westerner,

My prayers are with you! Please remember, my original monikor was lost&found, and I can tell you, the desert is not such a great place! I pray the Holy Spirit guide you during your journey!

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Oh Heavenly King,
Comforter,
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Everywhere Present
and Filling All Things,
Treasury of Blessings,
Giver of Life:

Come,
and abide in us;
cleanse us of every impurity;
and save our souls,
Oh Good One.

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I thank you for caring enough to respond to and pray for me even though you don't know me. In my time posting here I've never really made any close friends (this site like any other seems to have its cliques), and that should be expected since we're in cyberspace and will never actually meet. I'm moved by your responses. Thanks much. May God keep you all, and may He bless every poster on this forum.

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Dear Westerner Gone East,

Saint Augustine said "Who seeks God is because has already found Him" (if the phrase were wrong, please correct me).

Besides have found Him in a more generic way, I am certain that you, Westerner Gone East, have already found Him in the Tradition of the Church, something which precedes us, and transcends us. A river that gives life to the human life, which needs to be completed, hearing what is bigger than itself, and gives life to the words of the Holy Scripture; a river into which we have to imerge if we want ressurrect, have faith and become happy, asking for them to God, because they are only gifts of Him.

I am praying for you!

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For peace and Sweet Jesus put those in his path that will be your servants and supply the needs of his heart...
Paraclesis -
Sixth Chant

Before the Lord, I pour out my supplication; to Him I complain about my sorrow, for my soul is filled with iniquity and my life close to the Abyss. Therefore, like Jonah, I cry out: "Raise me from corruption, O my God!"

R. O most holy Theotokos, save us!

--O Virgin, beseech your Lord and your Son who delivered himself to death and saved my nature from death and corruption to which it had been bound, that He may deliver me from the hands of the enemy.

R. O most holy Theotokos, save us!

--I believe, O Virgin, that through your intercession you save and protect my life, dispelling many temptations and casting out the cunning snares of the devil. Now I implore you without
ceasing: Deliver me from my corrupting passions.

R. O most holy Theotokos, save us!

--O Maiden, you have been given to us as a wall behind which we may seek refuge, as a perfect means of salvation for our souls, as a joy in our tribulations, for we always find delight in your light. O Lady, save us always from every danger and evil desire.

--Glory be to the Father +, and to the Son, and to the Holy Spirit, now and ever, and forever. Amen.

--Behold how sick I am: I lie upon my bed, and there is no healing for me. I come to you in your goodness, for you have given birth to the Savior of the World. Deliver me from my disease and raise me from the pain of my affliction.

Kontakion (Tone 6)

O gentle protectress of Christians, unfailing advocate before the Creator, do not despise the prayerful voice of sinners, but in your goodness, hasten to assist us who trustfully cry out to you: "Inspire us to prayer and hasten to hear our supplications. Intercede always, O Mother of God, in behalf of those who honor you."

--Let us be attentive. Peace + be with all. Wisdom! Be attentive!

R. Shout joyfully to the Lord, all the earth, sing praise to his Name! Give to Him glorious praise!

--Let us pray to the Lord.

R. Lord, have mercy!

--For You are holy, our God, and You dwell in the holy place, and we glorify You, Father +, Son, and Holy Spirit, now and ever and forever.

R. Amen.

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