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Apparently Passaic has made a (local) change, albeit small, to the RDL as announced by our priest last week in church.

At "Offering you, your own, from your own. Always and everywhere." the priests are now to stop and bow between the two sentences(?) leaving a gap there, because it has come to light that the "Always and everywhere." portion is really the first words of "We praise you, we bless you, we thank you O Lord..." hence the people's part, but the decision was made by the Committee to have the priest say it instead.

Any other dioceses following suite?

I have seen this and have heard the same explanation given; I am not certain it is done unilaterally in the Eparchy of Passaic.

Using the new Liturgicon, I have seen instances where Passaic clergy are separating this intonation and others where it is being said together.

The challenge with separating this intonation is that the Faithful will often "jump in" during the moment of silence to begin chanting the Anamnesis Acclamation; this is especially true if the Celebrant allows longer than a second or two pause between the two phrases.

Since the phrases are separated by a period (.) in both the Liturgicon as well as the Faithful's Book, I would be interested to know from Father David if the intention was for the intonation to be separated.

I'm not sure I would call this a "local revision" to the Divine Liturgy; unless the separation was intended (as Father David may confirm), it may be a matter of stylistic preference on the part of the Celebrant.

Since it was mandated by the bishop at the priest's retreat for use in the diocese of Passaic, I'd call it a "local" revision to the revised Divine Liturgy.

Yes. That is how I had understood this particular revision of the RDL.

What does that suggest for the overall acceptance of the RDL?

Does it suggest that there might be other local revisions over time as circumstances begin to indicate a need?

Mary

I've seen the RDL where the priest forgot to say the epiclesis. Considering this is all done aloud, and no one was singing during the time when it was done....
What I mean by that is, if it is silent, then the Tebe pojem is sung whilst the epiclesis is being prayed. I chaulked it up to the priest forgetting to do pray the epiclesis.
All in all though, regardless of the overly discussed issues with the RDL, the pew book is indeed well organised. The ACROD pew book is very well organised as well. Our Rusyn parishes must have good pew books to assist the congregational singing.
And yes there will always be slight local customs that differ from parish to parish.

I am also impressed with the pew book. I used to have a paperback in one hand and several leaflets in the other. The pew book flows logically from one part of the liturgy to another without so much page shuffling.

The second part of the phrase, "always and everywhere," does belong to the people's hymn. We have manuscript evidence to indicate this. It seems to have been a "cue" from the priest to begin the hymn. Of course, this practice has long fallen into disuse. The Liturgy Commission did consider moving the words to the hymn, but thought it might be too much of a change and certainly would require a complete musical rewrite.
It is separated by a period in the text. Saying the second part separately is a local accomodation which was not formally considered by the Liturgy Commission, as well as I can remember, though others may correct me.

Fr. David

This has probably been asked and answered elsewhere, but is the text online?

Fr. David, it would be interesting to hear why you felt that it needed to be added. It must have been dropped from "Tebe pojem" for quite some time, no?