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And now the Church is following society in obfuscating that fundamental truth and is inviting that obfuscation into the statement of what the church believes--what each of us is supposed to believe if we are to be in union with Rome. Well this new Creed does reflect quite well the obfuscation of Genesis by the modern world and Catholics' rejection of Human Vitae by the modern Church. I am going to ask my mother if I have a brother that was separated from me at birth because I am in agreement with just about everything you write--it is uncanny! 
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Maybe we just have the same universal father!
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So a woman has all the natural capacities of being a priest, except for the fact that she is not a man. But that is an enormous exception, so much so that I would not call it an exception. Dearheart the rest of your note has nothing to do with my point. The Church says that there is no lack or insufficiency in women indicated by God's choice to send a Son, and the Son's choice to call men to orders. It's very simple. There's no BUT about it. It is in black and white in the very document you quoted. The rest of it can be discussed as you wish. I had but a small and simple point to make. Mary
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So a woman has all the natural capacities of being a priest It was the juxtaposition of that phrase above, with the "except" that causes the problem. In what sense do you speak of "natural capacities?" Obviously, a woman has no natural capacity to father children. And I agree that that is not a defect. Using "natural capacites" in the manner in which you use it, seems to emphasize the wrong point because it actually ignores the most natural difference while emphasizing talents which every decent man knows a woman has more. The priesthood, however, as we can all attest to, has very little to do with natural capacites in the sense in which you speak.
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Mea culpa for my disservice to Justices White and Rhenquist, the two manly disssenters from Roe.
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So a woman has all the natural capacities of being a priest It was the juxtaposition of that phrase above, with the "except" that causes the problem. In what sense do you speak of "natural capacities?" Obviously, a woman has no natural capacity to father children. And I agree that that is not a defect. Using "natural capacites" in the manner in which you use it, seems to emphasize the wrong point because it actually ignores the most natural difference while emphasizing talents which every decent man knows a woman has more. The priesthood, however, as we can all attest to, has very little to do with natural capacites in the sense in which you speak. Yes to the latter and I did not belabor the obvious initially. Perhaps I should have?  But as you say, fatherhood is no criteria for a priestly vocation...did I say that right? Well...somebody knows what I mean.  M.
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I dunno, I kind of like "and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee." Gen 3:16 and "Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord" Eph 5:22. Kind of puts things in proper perspective, dontcha think?  Alexandr
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Altar Boy, do you have a wife?
If so, does your wife agree with your opinions?
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Yes to the latter and I did not belabor the obvious initially. Hence the birth of the idea was too easy, without any pain! It was still-born. 
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Might I suggest a peace offering (flowers, chocolates and a credit card works wonderfully!) Add a day at the spa -- pedicure, manicure, facial, massage -- and all will be forgotten. From what I have gathered; what Penthaetria has suggested might be the only true panacea in this world for women.
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I dunno, I kind of like "and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee." Gen 3:16 and "Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord" Eph 5:22. Kind of puts things in proper perspective, dontcha think? Alexandr Alexandr, I think I have some gift certificates from the spa that you can give out.  Dr. Eric
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My husband knows the drill(in no particular order): Godiva, spa, bling, and/or various and sundry sporting goods. It's good to be predictable sometimes!
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