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I find it odd that there is discussion about the motu proprio here on the Board - as (in my humble opinion it has nothing to do with Eastern Christianity), but here's my two cents:
There is a small, but noisy and growing, group who want a return to Tradition in the Latin Church. I, for one, am tired of ugly church architecture, Holy Communion given out by every Tom, Dick and Harriett, altar "servers" wearing thong sandals, bad - very bad "music" (a pox on Marty Haugen) and a lack of respect and reverence for the Holy Eucharist. When I make it to the Latin Mass at St. Boniface in Pittsburgh, I don't experience any of that nonsense. I worship in the Mass that was celebrated while two thirds of the Western Hemisphere was being evangelized for Jesus Christ.
Archbishop Burke of St. Louis, Bishop Bruskewicz of Lincoln and Bishop Olmstead of Phoenix are big supporters of the TLM.
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Although I am Byzantine, I support the TLM. My reason has to do with the fact we Byzantines are part of the Catholic Church. The Latin Church, as I have said before, is the 500 pound gorilla in the parlor. When that large creature does anything goofy, it affects us whether we like it or not. Can anyone truthfully say nothing from the Latin Church and its liturgical practices bleeds over into our own?
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I find it odd that there is discussion about the motu proprio here on the Board - as (in my humble opinion it has nothing to do with Eastern Christianity), but here's my two cents:... I would respectfully disagree. A restoration of orthodoxy in Latin Catholic worship can only benefit the relationship between the Latin West and the Orthodox East. I do not believe one onion dome has ever heard the echos of a guitar strum and the sentimental drivel of Haugen-D.Haas. The closer the Latins come back to authentic worship, the closer they draw to the Orthodox, IMHO. God bless, Gordo
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My humble opinion is that the old "tridentine" mass, even in its solemn high mass form, was much too stiff and mecahanical with the clergy and ministrants sort of moving like "puppets." [ Linked Image] WOW! One could certainly argue that a "mechanical feel" would largely be due to the priest who was celerating it... Gordo
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Gordo,
Sour Grapes Award eh...
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Gordo,
Sour Grapes Award eh...
james hehehe... 
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As I've mentioned previously, the Tridentine Mass in English is available conveniently in The English Missal, originally published by Knott in London in an Altar edition and a a people's hand-missal. It's out of print at the moment, but copies are often available from second-hand booksellers and the two books can easily be reprinted. There is music readily available for this translation. The functional variety of English is that of the King James Bible and the Book of Common Prayer. It appears that the Anglican-Use Catholic parishes make considerable use of The English Missal.
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Happy Birthday! 
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I stole the following photo from the site of the New Liturgical Movement. It is taken at the St. Louis Cathedral, St. Louis, MO, and depicts the Litanies being sung at the ordination of a priest by Archbishop Burke on Friday, June 15, following the Tridentine Rite: ![[Linked Image from ]](C:\mpm\litany-during-ordination-stlouiscathedral.jpeg) The claim is that the Cathedral is Romanesque on the outside and Byzantine on the inside. Do you all agree about the inside? Michael
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can we see the pic ? Honest - we need that before we can make any comment
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Hey...leggo my cathedral!
Yes - definitely Byzantine!
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oh, dear. The Motu Proprio has not even been promulgated, and already the rot is setting in. That Fordham transcription of what is alleged to be the Mass of the 1962 Missal includes Saint Joseph in the Roman Canon! This addition was made during Vatican II, at the personal initiative of Blessed John XXIII; hence this is not the pristine Tridentine Mass. Alas! Alack! Woe, woe!
On the other hand, it does at least translate "Orthodox" correctly, which is something to be thankful for!
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