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This was on AP last night. In IC XC, Father Anthony+ 6 Nuns in Ark. Excommunicated for Heresy By ANDREW DeMILLO Associated Press Writer
LITTLE ROCK, Ark. - Six Catholic nuns have been excommunicated for heresy after refusing to give up membership in a Canadian sect whose founder claims to be possessed by the Virgin Mary, the Diocese of Little Rock announced Wednesday.
The Rev. J. Gaston Hebert, the diocese administrator, said he notified the nuns of the decision Tuesday night after they refused to recant the teachings of the Community of the Lady of All Nations, also known as the Army of Mary.
The Vatican has declared all members of the Army of Mary excommunicated. Hebert said the excommunication was the first in the diocese's 165-year history.
"It is a painfully historic moment for this church," Hebert said.
The six nuns are associated with the Good Shepherd Monastery of Our Lady of Charity and Refuge in Hot Springs. Sister Mary Theresa Dionne, one of the nuns excommunicated, said the nuns will still live at the convent property, which they own.
"We are at peace and we know that for us we are doing the right thing," the 82-year-old nun said. "We pray that the church will open their eyes before it is too late. This is God's work through Mary, the blessed mother, and we're doing what we're asked to do."
At a news conference, Hebert said the nuns "became entranced and deluded with a doctrine that is heretical." He said church officials removed the Eucharist - which Catholics revere as the body of Christ - from the monastery on Tuesday night.
Hebert said the sect's members believe that its 86-year-old founder, Marie Paule Giguere, is the reincarnation of the Virgin Mary and that God speaks directly through her.
Excommunication bars the nuns from participating in the church liturgy and receiving communion or other sacraments.
The diocese said the action was taken after the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith issued a declaration dated July 11 that the Army of Mary's teachings were heretical and automatically excommunicated any who embraced the doctrine.
Hebert said the diocese had known for years that the nuns were following the sect and said church officials in the past had encouraged them to come back into the fold.
According to the Catholic News Service, the Army of Mary was founded in Quebec in 1971 by Giguere, who said she was receiving visions from God.
Dionne said she does not know if Giguere is the reincarnation of the Virgin Mary, but said she believes God communicates through the sect's founder.
"She is doing only what God and Mary tells her to do," Dionne said.
A spokesman for the Army of Mary called the excommunication of the nuns and the other members of the sect an injustice. Father Eric Roy said Giguere has not claimed to be the reincarnation of the Virgin Mary, and said the 86-year-old Quebec woman "receives graces" from the Virgin Mary and God.
"The Virgin Mary took possession of her soul. I would rather say it that way," said Roy, superior general of the Sons of Mary, an associated group.
Everyone baptized into Christ should pass progressively through all the stages of Christ's own life, for in baptism he receives the power so to progress, and through the commandments he can discover and learn how to accomplish such progression. - Saint Gregory of Sinai
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"Took possession of her soul," that does not vie with me. That seems to be rather an unwillful step, if one's soul were to be possessed.
Wouldn't it be the case that if God "took possession" of Mary's soul, her submission to His will would not have been profound? It would have been no submission at all in that case; "let Thy will be done" would be a blank statement if we could not as freely let our own will be done instead.
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"Took possession of her soul," that does not vie with me. That seems to be rather an unwillful step, if one's soul were to be possessed. Terry, Anything I've ever read about demonic possession emphasized the fact that God would never "take possession" of a soul. It is the free response of one will to another that is the essence of love. Peace, Deacon Richard
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As you might be aware this was a very long process. Originally the ABp of Quebec sought, years ago, to reconcile the A of M group with the church/diocese. When he was unsuccessful he turned to his brothers in the CCCB for support and help. The CCCB then attempted to reconcile the group with the Church. When this failed Rome was approached. Rome also spent a few years in dialogue and study, but in the end the group refused all opportunities for reconciliation with orthodoxy.
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That "disobedience" to lawful authority is probably the surest sign that this is not an authentic Marian "event". When Our Lady has appeared to people, her requests/commands have never set themselves up against lawful authority, even when the latter was, at first, unresponsive to them.
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That "disobedience" to lawful authority is probably the surest sign that this is not an authentic Marian "event". When Our Lady has appeared to people, her requests/commands have never set themselves up against lawful authority, even when the latter was, at first, unresponsive to them. So sad! Yes the disobedience is a sure sign it is not from God.
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Many demons disguise themselves as holy entities...
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Sad as it is to say, it does the heart good that the Church is trying to be clear about the nature and consequences of heresy: it separates one from communion. I pray that these sisters come to their senses, repent and reconcile...and soon given their age. This event illustrates, as has been discussed previously, the critical aspect of the magisterium's role in discerning any private revelation, as well as the pastoral value of the power of excommunication. I pray that several bishops in North America take heed and consider applying it in situations other than with tradition-minded extremists.
God bless,
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As to why these six nuns were excommunicated, does this process start with their local Bishop or from an office of the Vatican? It was some time ago that recognition was withdrawn from the group.
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I pray that several bishops in North America take heed and consider applying it in situations other than with tradition-minded extremists. Yes, that would be nice (and long overdue)....
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The bishop had known about this group for many years and said that he and others were trying privately to bring them back to true doctrine before this extreme measure was applied
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Typically, the process starts local, and then escalates upward. I'm not sure under what Canon they were excommunicated, though I would guess it would be related to "obedience" under their vows. The Vatican usually lets quite some time pass before allowing this penalty to take effect. Hopefully, the penalty will help bring them to their senses.
I think the Vatican would rather that the local bishop do the "dirty work", and then handle any appeal (as happened when Bishop Bruscewitz excommunicated a bunch of people adhering to groups in opposition to the Church's magisterium on abortion), but some bishops let the matter escalate (I suppose for various reasons).
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I tried to edit my prior post, but the time had expired, so... Checking the internet, I see that the Vatican excommunicated the members of the group worldwide the week of Sept 14, 2007, so I guess Little Rock was simply following up on that.
One wonders if this little group of nuns was isolated and out of touch for too long, such that they became overly devoted to this sect. (Another report mentioned that a priest member of the group "ordained" half a dozen other priests some time back, for which they all incurred excommunication, so it seems like the "Army" has a bigger agenda then appears from the story of these poor nuns.)
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The "Army" and its membership worldwide were excommunicated because of formal heresy (versus material heresy), the six elderly nuns and priests who support the group included.
This goes beyond religious vows for the clergy and nuns involved.
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Amado,
Do you know whether these Arkansas nuns were members of a bona fide religious order, but that the nuns also "belonged" to the Army; or was their order a part of the Army? I couldn't figure that out from the stories I read.
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